Contractors at the Mount Hot Pools were able to show Tauranga City Councillors this week where they think all the leaks, which have caused the pools' closure, are.
Tauranga City Aquatics Ltd chief executive Tania Delahunty says a couple of voids have been found since excavations began.
See video below of TCAL CEO Tania Delahunty discussing the proposed redevelopment of the Mount Hot Pools.
The pools are currently undergoing emergency repairs, which are basically the restoration part of the stalled redevelopment project.
'We are not repairing the pipes, there's no point,” says Tania.
'The pipes have been in the ground since the ‘80s.
'We are replacing all the pipes now, and making some pipes redundant so we don't have to go through the process of excavating them.”
In TCAL's original report to the council in 2005-2006 the pools management company said then that the hot pools were old and the infrastructure was at risk.
'And as part of spending near $2 million we estimated to fix the old pipes, we want to do a redevelopment to help fund all of this and we can do it at the same time,” says Tania.
The plan was to have a staged closure, build the new change rooms, some new pools and open them, then go back and retro fit the old facility so there would only be part of the facility closed at the one time.
But the leak forced the closure.
The hot pools are expected to re-open on September 18.



29 comments
Believe this you & will believe anything
Posted on 15-07-2011 09:02 | By RORTSCAM
More Ratepayer funded spindoctoring. When TCC councillors inspected collateral damage was an engineer present to explain everything.
building new pools and buildings?
Posted on 15-07-2011 09:54 | By wreck1080
This was not part of the deal?Are they trying to redevelopment under the guise of a repair job and budget overruns?
Whos telling porkies?
Posted on 15-07-2011 10:11 | By silverhair
Who do we believe, Tania or counci, seems you cant trust anyone these days.
Thanks Tania
Posted on 15-07-2011 10:23 | By The author of this comment has been removed.
Makes perfect sense to me. shit happens, pipes break, they're getting on with fixing it. The conspiracy theorists should find something constructive to do with their time. Volunteer at Waipuna, collect for the blind - generally get a life or if that's not sensational enough, perhaps focus on rumours that Elvis is causing global warming.
Hear, hear Black Cat
Posted on 15-07-2011 11:03 | By Positive not negative
.... I couldn't have put it better myself!
Cool Cat
Posted on 15-07-2011 11:34 | By DaKiwiBean
Well done 'Blackcat' couldn't say it better myself. Getting sick & tird of all the negitive anti city comments which appear on Sun Live. Sad that we have people who's life is to bash progress with in tauranga. What a waste of good energy.
@ blackcat
Posted on 15-07-2011 12:39 | By SpeakUp
Yep, shit happens. It happened for years, when TCAL management, in crony embrace of TCC, wasted millions of rate monies for their delusions of grandeur and THEIR OWN POCKETS. Why don't you shill on the TCAL web site. -Citizens Monitoring Council-
A FEW CAVITIES
Posted on 15-07-2011 12:41 | By YOGI
Have not found the main one as yet then, the one that TCC tips allteh millions of rates money into as yet! That of course is most of the costs and expenses incurred annual to keep the door open every day, it costs ratepayers about $30,000 per day to pay the bills to keep the door open.
@blackcat and others
Posted on 15-07-2011 13:55 | By morepork
People expressing concern is not negativity. There is much to be concerned about. Contracts were awarded without an open and accountable process. There were no tenders and the work was awarded to contractors whose previous proposal had been rejected. Ms Delahunty chose to go on holiday rather than make a statement that could have cleared the air and reduced concern. That is NOT good management practice and it doesn't inspire confidence. Her role as a public offical makes her accountable to the public. It isn't personal; (I've never met the lady and have no axe to grind) it is just understanding that once you are appointed to a ratepayer funded body you have a responsibility to said ratepayers and cannot just be a law unto yourself. (Sadly, Ms Delahunty is not the only one who needs to understand this.) Yes, pipes do break and they must be repaired. The issue is not with understandable maintenance and repair, it is with the process whereby large sums of our money are being spent, as if it were TCAL money. People have a right to require accountability and that doesn't mean they need to get a life. If every citizen took more interest in the processes followed by our Council and its subsidiaries, we would probably have a much better management of our civic administration. As someone who loves the hot pools and sees them as a local treasure I am glad to see repairs proceeding. But I'd be ecstatic if I knew they were proceeding at the best possible value and that there was no skullduggery going on. The point here is that even if everything IS above board, it has to be SEEN to be above board and Council officials cannot just dismiss legitimate questions as an irritation.
Options
Posted on 15-07-2011 14:23 | By morepork
Let's take a look at this: 1. TCAL submit a very expensive proposal to redevelop the Mount Hot Pools. 2. It is rejected by the Commission. 3. A private citizen notes that temperatures in the pools are not what they should be and raises an alarm. He is met with scorn and derision and it is only after repeated requests to investigate that TCAL admits there is a problem. 4. According to the video, Ms Delahunty sees options that range from "doing nothing" to "appealing the Commission's findings", with "some other options in between" which are not disclosed. Unfortunately, because the pools are "broken" the option to do nothing is not really an option; SOMETHING has to be done. A consultation is arranged with Council and it is agreed to appeal the Commission's finding. In the meantime, work must proceed so, instead of going to tender for it, the contractors who were to have done the rejected proposal are slipped a couple of million to carry out the needed repair. (consolation prize?) I believe there was another option which appears to have been missed: Instead of going on holiday, why not get a request for tender to make the needed repairs out, and thereby ensure that the best deal possible was obtained? Personally, it seems to me that the decision to appeal the Commission's decision is simply sour grapes because TCAL didn't get the chance to spend the 25 million or so that the proposal would have required. So now it gets done (or a good part of it gets done) through the back door? The Commission rejected the proposal for sound reasons. (While that doesn't mean it can't or shouldn't be appealed, it should at least encourage the formulation of a less grandiose proposal.) The need for immediate repair and maintenance is something which TCAL missed in the first place and when it was suggested that something was wrong their reaction was a long way short of ideal. Major works requiring millions of dollars expenditure MUST be seen to be tendered for. While TCAL have a right to look at proposals for expansion, that should not happen at the expense of repair and maintenance, and the attitude needs adjustment. Someone suggesting there could be a problem is not cause for dismissal, it is cause for proper investigation. Seeing the diggers at work in the vieo I can't help wondering whether they are trying to fix the problem or simply burying the mismanagement surrounding it.
INDEPENDENT
Posted on 15-07-2011 18:37 | By Ian Stevenson
On 06 July 2009 TCC in conjunction with TCAL held a workshop with privately owned gym owners about the current trading activities of TCAL at Baywave and Greerton, these were providing subsidised memberships and free access the pools and other facilities their members. The workshop was called by TCC as private gym owners "did not understand." In end result the TCC Councillors of the time passed a resolution to provide data and information to our group. The due date for this to be completed was set as 07 October 2009 (three months) sadly we are still awaiting a reply. On 29 September 2009 it was announced by a TCC staff member (unnamed) that this Councillor resolution passed "was not a priority" and that would be looked at next year ... Who is actually running the place? Councillors that we elect or unnamed random staff members? At the meeting Tania was unable to explain why TCAL had exceeded its budgeted numbers attending yet "failed to make a profit". The answer is obvious of course, when you provide these facilities and allow them to be used for no cost all you have left are bills to pay, there can be no profit after that. I had to try and explain to her that "on average those attending were not paying what they should ..." Add to that the abnormal staffing levels that TCC only knows how to create, excessive staff pay rates (e.g. CEO at $170,000pa) and it soon becomes apparent that the idea of Aquatics facilities "making a profit" just can not happen. There is no Council operated pool facility in NZ that makes a profit, historically the best that can be expected is about 20% of costs to be covered by user fees. On many occasions specific information has been requested so as to "better understand" TCAL's financial results and especially the PR statements made regularly, this at ever turn has been refused and even when requested via LGOIMA (Official Information) request). All this says as a bottom line is that what is said is not actually happening. If the public statements made are the truth and the information at TCC confirms it then why not make it public. Of course the obvious reason for that is that the facts don't match what has been said. My challenge to TCAL/TCC/Directors of TCAL is: front up, open the financial records of TCAL to the ratepayers full open and transparent view, make a stand to public answer any questions raised, after all it is "ratepayers" money and no one else's, we as ratepayers are entitled to know where the money is coming from and going to. HOT POOL REDEVELOPMENT There is no "added value" to the hot pools in the RMA redevelopment, the prime purpose of it is to create massage rooms, Day Spa and related facilities. The additions planned do not address the money side adequately, put simply: how can the cost of running this facility possibly make a profit and pay even the interest on the debt (if one accepts the $7.50 million cost and therefore debt) at approx. $550,000 or so, the consent process and appeal is likely to cost around $4-5 million anyway and no guarantee of a result. The business plan proposed is very optimistic and relies on very suspect numbers and income. What all do not seem to understand is that ratepayers in the end will be liable for the debt, losses and of course cash will have to be paid by TCC to TCAL to ensure that the door stays open. If this was such a good idea then private enterprise would have done it decades ago. The TCC/TCAL preferred two story option failed early on because IWI pulled out (wisely). I believe that best option here is for TCAL to lease the land to those who want complete this project (Tania and TCAL Directors as well as anyone else who thinks it is a good idea ...), lease the land to them, they borrow the money, build it and run it. If it is a good idea lets see them do that. If they "change their mind ..." all of a sudden then the facts of it will then be well known to all.
green or concrete??
Posted on 15-07-2011 19:27 | By claypole
Where's the council CONTROL in TCAL? or are councillors sitting back watching the heat deflected away from them? Bottom line regardless of clear as mud TD, the majority of ratepayers do not want to loose reserve land to put more concrete on to satisfy out of towners! Regarding comments made relating to subsidised gym and pool membership at Baywave, since increasing membership fees by over 25%, they are loosing more money because less people are using the facilities. A once crowded gym, is now a ghost town! sell it cheap to alot and not expensive for a few!
@ blackcat:positivenotnegative:dakiwibean
Posted on 15-07-2011 19:36 | By Nigel Barker
Very interesting that within an hour 3 of you appear out of the salt air and support TCAL. All together now .. one .. two .. three - looks orchestrated to me! Now lets be honest here 'chaps', are you friends or family, maybe even employees or contractors of TCC or other related "rate payer funded" operations? If you have the courage of your convictions, if you are sincere, be up front and honest about who you are. We "The Citizens" are being fed to much stuff that appears to be hidden agendas,something to hide... I for one, think we have to many inside the organisation doing the "spout'n'vanish' from behind a screen. And that applies to many of the elected members. (not all cos we don't hear anything from the others unless it's to justify a pay rise). Have the courage of your convictions - stand tall in the open.-Citizens Monitoring Council-
Unbelievable show me the good side
Posted on 15-07-2011 20:35 | By RORTSCAM
Isn't this the little crappers that (1)Let a contract to do the Hotpools Redevelopment for around $ 7.5m without all the aquatic ducks being in a row and without TCC Councillors knowledge(2)Swore TCAL knew nothing about the hotpool temperature fluctuations(3)Have never produced a valid Business case despite numerous requests. Who is paying for the PR(US) rubbish intent on exercising damage control before the life support kicks in ie. TCC ratepayers chequebook.Incidentally all this bulls### is irrelevant to the RMA hearing anyway.
Bargain
Posted on 16-07-2011 01:01 | By methinks
Baywave and Greerton - $30 for 30 days gym n swim fees??!! That's cheap! Ian Stevenson you are so on the money
Spindoctoring Porkies
Posted on 16-07-2011 11:26 | By EYESPY
A few of hometruths #Firstly public opinion is overwhelmingly against this aberration #Secondly all costs are inevitably met by TCC ratepayers and all debts are the responsibility of TCC ratepayers #Thirdly Wellness Centre will never meet even running costs #Fourthly TCAL refuses to supply a verifiable business case either to TCC Councillors or the Public that can be subjected to scrutiny and that is a damning indictment of the whole saga.It is interesting to note on TCAL website it says all enquiries are to be directed to Natalie Bridges(Name recognition here) of Village Public Relations & Marketing.TCAL and TCC must be very worried units and this is an admission they are incapable of dealing with the MOUNT HOTPOOLS crisis themselves.
New PR Working Well Tania?
Posted on 16-07-2011 11:56 | By Openknee8ted
More of our money well spent?
VIDEO CLIP INTERVIEW
Posted on 16-07-2011 14:55 | By WOFTAM
This is a waste of space, adds no value or factual information tothe debate about what TCAL's real intentions are with OUR MONEY "taken" from the ratepayers. Maybe Murray Guy was right to call all of us mugs paying rates to this lot "TURKEYS" because what happens to them is that they all get lined up on a branch of a tree and either they all get blown away one after another or some TCC overpaid chainsaw in hand BOFFINS comes along and cuts the tree down. Either why the ratepayer is "TOASTED"!
@ EYESPY ~
Posted on 16-07-2011 17:45 | By Nigel Barker
You have highlighted a very very important issue. QUOTE *** ~ TCAL website it says all enquiries are to be directed to Natalie Bridges(Name recognition here) of Village Public Relations & Marketing ~*** UNQUOTE Will be interesting to find out if this was a 'given to a mate' appointment and if there is a conflict of interests!! I think the name should be highlighted many times to bring this to the attention of The Citizens **NATALIE BRIDGES** All TCAL inquiries to be made to **NATALIE BRIDGES** ... wow!! Just coincidental ?? Who pays?? NATALIE BRIDGES won't be doing for free (an neither she should be). Inside jobs for the boys and gals??!! One ... two ... three ~ smells fishy to me. Or maybe Tania can assure us via this column that it is all above board ... just maybe??! Or is it just more "spout'n'vanish"? -Citizens Monitoring Council-
Maybe
Posted on 17-07-2011 09:03 | By Capt_Kaveman
its time to bulldoze the whole complex and turn it into more tent spots, the TCC should be the only one running the pools in the city due to comments below more city works has to come bk to councill control and not privated out to mates
Mount Hotpools doesn't deserve this PR hype
Posted on 17-07-2011 11:46 | By Insider
MOUNT HOTPOOLS is an iconic spot was debt free and until TCAL became involved it was pretty successful.It fell apart when normal maintenance was neglected and the facility was allowed to run down deliberately it seems to push the Wellness Centre madness.I doubt that the current search for the leak has been totally successful nor has it been done economically efficiently nor in a prudent business like manner.The failing TCC Aquatics policy should not be allowed to bring Mount Hotpools to the brink but TCC and TCAL seem intent on playing silly mind games which will have wide ranging repercussions for all those involved.
@ INSIDER
Posted on 17-07-2011 19:08 | By Nigel Barker
I went over to the hot pools yesterday for a nosey. Now I am far from an expert on such matters BUT the little evedence laying around posed some questions I would like the CEO to answer. However as there is NO chance of that - you will notice she has become part of the "spout'n'vanish' clan - there is little point in asking I guess. Of course I could go ask MP Simon Bridges wife at the spin doctor mates club I spose. Not much likely hood of a upfront answer there either I guess. @ Capt_Kaveman ~ way to much common sense there. How would all the business's get the HUGE crowds down that way so they could make money?? I smelly something very very fishy going on. You can hide lots of info:Can't hide the smell tho... -Citizens Monitoring Council-
BUSINESS PLAN
Posted on 17-07-2011 20:43 | By TERMITE
Sunlive, get TCAL to place here the business plan that they have created, in full, complete and without any censorship. Lets then see what the TURKEYS of TAURANGA think of it then. PS we should not have to be demanding that this happen.
Gamble $10.5m to run a deficit - Yeaaaaa
Posted on 18-07-2011 08:05 | By EYESPY
Termite yes a proper business plan would be good truth is TCAL don't have one and have even withheld whatever ever TCAL do have from Councillors.Only conclusion to be reached is that plan is a bloody LOTTO ticket.
SPINDOCTORING
Posted on 18-07-2011 08:30 | By KAMIKAZE
The flowers are red the buds are green looks like the worst has still to be seen.Try the tune 'Burning Bridges' as your theme song has very appropriate lyrics.
NOT A REDEVELOPMENT
Posted on 19-07-2011 00:19 | By TERMITE
It is an addition, nothing much added to the pools either, just a few massage rooms and a day spa. So more bills there for that, then there is the loss of camping grounds spaces for families in the Mount to. Dont they know that there is no chance to get this mess of a project off the ground yet!
TAKING AWAY THE CAMPING GROUND
Posted on 19-07-2011 12:15 | By WOFTAM
Instead we get a costly and expensive loss making debt ridden mess that will only add to the rates and debt of Ratepayers for ever and more ...
AMAZING ... NO BUSINESS PLAN BY NOW?
Posted on 23-07-2011 11:50 | By WOFTAM
Plans amended plans and more and yet there is no business plan for anyone to see anywhere.
REDEVELOPMENT MEANS ...
Posted on 24-07-2011 12:37 | By YOGI
Make a bigger hole in the ground than before to tip even more ratepayers money into and at faster rate of pace. Still "NO ONE KNOWS" who or why it is happening.
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