A decision handing $120,000 to the Jazz Festival will have to be made again after Tauranga City Councillor Murray Guy's concerns about its legality were upheld.
The events support subcommittee earlier this month granted the festival $30,000, plus a $90,000 loan to help float the 50th National Jazz Festival.
A $120,000 Tauranga City Council funding of the 50th National Jazz Festival to be held in 2012 is uncertain. Pictured: The 48th National Jazz Festival.
The loan will only have to be repaid if the festival makes money.
Murray protested the flagship event's continuing funding against council policy that states events have to be self funding after six years.
Murray took the issue to council staff, following which the decision has been made to reconsider the decision at the council meeting later this month.
'I think it's great it's out in the open,” says Murray.
'It's like switching on the light and hopefully elected members as a result will apply a higher level of scrutiny to the policies surrounding their decisions.
'The battle is far from over.”
Council policies are the rules by which it governs itself. A subcommittee like the events support and community investment subcommittee that decided on a split vote, and with chairperson Larry Baldock's casting vote, to give money to the jazz festival, is not empowered to go against the council's stated policy.
The full council can, but it has to state on record why any given policy is being deliberately breached.
For Murray, the issue is one of council's integrity in following its own decision making processes.
'One of the reasons I put myself forward in 2001 was over concerns regarding the application of integrity to council decisions,” says Murray.
'In my case it was relevant to stormwater.
'Accepting responsibility, being accountable, and if you were to ask me my passion, to get maximum involvement of our community in the running of our community.
'At the moment we don't have it and it's my opinion that it's largely about integrity.
'I believe the majority of the thinking community possibly feels that as a local authority, as politicians we don't have the level of integrity that warrants their support – and that's why we have such a small turnout in their voting.
'That's why when reasonably scientific surveys are done ‘where do you rate your politicians?' we are rated lower than psychics.
'We are at the bottom. We are not held in very good light, and so this elected member prior to determining an outcome on a specific issue like funding for a jazz festival, or the validity of a parade by a certain Mr Crow – my focus first and foremost tends to be on the integrity of the process that is being applied.”
Murray first received flak over jazz festival issues in 2004, again over the grants policy.
'My concern was the policy requires a clear pathway to show self sustainability,” says Murray.
'It is unequivocal. That is what is said. It is in black and white.
'Back in 2004 there wasn't that compliance either in my opinion. It's not about them still asking for money, they are only asking because we keep giving. This is not about the jazz festival. It's about what appears to be a denial, a selective application of our policies.
'I have just been appalled at the lengths to which as elected members, we will bury our heads in the sand and pretend we aren't doing this. That's what the issue for me is about.”
When the story first broke on SunLive on July 25, subcommittee chairperson Larry Baldock said the decision complied with policy and that Murray was mischief making.
'I can tell you now, that at the time of making that comment and for some days and weeks prior, the chairperson had advice from the then acting chief executive officer that the decisions were in fact non-compliant, by email. And I'm more than happy to provide that email. Does he not read his emails?”
'Despite my drawing attention to areas of compliance which went way beyond the six years, there was no financials, nothing. Zip. So the six year maximum support was just one consideration of many.”
The biggest loser is the credibility of council and the very valid events on the city events calendar, says Murray.
'There's no question the jazz festival has made a significant contribution and by all accounts 49 years now,” says Murray.
'It's a damn shame it has to be soured by these elected members who have chosen to try and circumvent the rules.”
The other issue yet to be resolved is where the issue goes next. According to council processes, the next step is the projects and monitoring committee on August 8.
He believes it is instead set for the council meting of August 15.
'Do they intend to revisit the application? Do they intend to create the opportunity to support or not support those applications? How is it going to work?
'I'm mindful that the mayor was the actual mover of the resolution, so far as the jazz festival was concerned. Is there a conflict there in also chairing the council meeting?
'These are questions I'm asking myself which I have yet to get answers to.”



29 comments
CR. MURRAY GUYS STANCE COMPLETELY VINDICATED
Posted on 30-07-2011 08:14 | By RORTSCAM
Well we now know that CR Baldocks statements were completely wrong and that at the time he made them he had already been advised by the Council CEO that the decision reached by the Committee as a result of his casting vote was against Council stated policy.As the public has been misled the only option is to void the decision and CR Baldock must resign as Chairman of and from the Events Committee.In addition he is on record as saying prior to the hearing he says he checked policy with Council staff who confirmed funding was within policy- who was the staff member and what date was it on ? Apart from any other issues if this is correct it shows a predisposition to reach a particular decision at the hearing and that is a No No !!!
Not a word from the Mayor
Posted on 30-07-2011 09:39 | By Openknee8ted
They seek him here, they seek there but no comment from Mr Mayor. Murray Guy should be Mayor, his performance this term has been outstanding and Stuart Crosby has just been a ghost.
Speedway integrity and accountability Cr Guy?
Posted on 30-07-2011 10:53 | By Inconvenient Truth
Speaking of integrity, accountability and responsibility, the qualities that Councillor Guy makes a big deal about with the Jazz Festival decision, could he please explain how Council buying the Speedway showed integrity, accountability and responsibilty. For a start, how much did Council pay for the Speedway? I'd like to compare that with the Jazz Festival loan. Please extend the desire for transparency, honesty, openness, integrity and accountability to the Speedway decision, and tell us all. Then we'll be in a position to judge Cr Guy's statements.
confused
Posted on 30-07-2011 11:38 | By traceybjammet
are the people that dont want to assist with the speedway or the jazz festival or any other local events the same people that race off to the Whitianga Scallop festival etc Invest and grow in the local area make Tauranga fun and have a look at practical solutions for saving money
Speedway versus Event Funding
Posted on 30-07-2011 12:28 | By Murray.Guy
Tauranga City Venues purchased the 'speedway business' by way of a bank loan following disclosure of a business case that clearly showed a profit, BUT equally important, gave TCVL total control over their $60 million asset base. Effectively the ratepayers, as with all CCO debt is guarantor and ultimately liable. Tauranga City Council elected members, following the provision of relevant information, I believe unanimously, agreed that the acquisition was an appropriate way forward. The decision s made by TCVL and TCC were, to the best of my knowledge, made in TOTAL COMPLIANCE with all legal considerations and processes. The decision to allocate / invest $120,000 in the Jazz Festival of 2012 comes directly from the ratepayers wallet and, in my opinion, was grossly NON COMPLIANT with the legal obligations that accompany expenditure of this type. I am unsure as to how or why Inconvenient Truth should even try to make any connection between and the Events Fund and the speedway purchase by TCVL, other than perhaps, by trying to imply my personal interest in speedway is somehow relevant. The Inconvenient Truth is that I also enjoy and appreciate the offerings of the Jazz Festival. Focus on the issue, being, the integrity and legitimacy of processes, not the outcome of processes (that's another issue completely).
Vindication?? Transparency? yes please Cr Guy.
Posted on 30-07-2011 12:53 | By Cr Baldock
Perhaps Cr Guy will support my resolution to have the recording of the debate of the sub-committee on this years allocations for Flag Ship events released into the public domain. If he listens to it as I have done, he may not wish his comments made public which will reveal his mischief making and grandstanding, in my opinion. However until that resolution is approved by Council I cannot comment further except to say that the policy the acting CEO commented upon, that in her opinion, was violated by the committee is very different to the policy Cr Guy claims he has been vindicated on. What has been agreed to at this point is that a report on the matter is brought back to Council so that the full Council can discuss the policy interpretation and decide, by majority, whether there has been a violation. The CEO was commenting on the policy of not funding any event for more than six years in a row. That policy was ignored for the years 2009 and 2010 in respect of two flag ship events when Cr Guy was on the sub-committee and I was not, and as far as I am aware he did not make an issue of integrity and breaching policy then.
Pathetic, Immoral and Mindless politics at work
Posted on 30-07-2011 13:39 | By The Tomahawk Kid
Look whats happened now! Now we have politicians and bureaucrats making decisions about music and music festivals. Next they will be having a say in what can and cant perform at the festival - you wait and see. This situation is nothing new though - It is EXACTLY what happens when politicians and bureacrats get involved in EVERYTHING as history proves. Exactly the same happens in the education system and the health system. They go pleading for handouts of other peoples money with their hands out. Once they get addicted to spending other peoples money they become helpless and lose the ability to survive by their own means, and then the bureaucrats step in and take over with a bailout when the organisations fail because they have lost the roots that made them succeed in the first place. This is a perfect example of the situation. The people of the jazz festival need to UNTANGLE THEMSELVES IMMEDIATELY from nannys apron strings before she smothers them.
POLICY SAYS ...
Posted on 30-07-2011 13:45 | By YOGI BEAR
Policy = rules, the committee has clearly overstepped the mark and Baldock knew that before doing so, on top of that Mayor Crosby arrived and voted to make it 4/4 a split vote, so Cr Baldock then could use a casting vote to get it through (as the leader wanted) never mind the rules here.
valb
Posted on 30-07-2011 14:22 | By val baker
the Jazz festival should stand or fall on its own merits. If it continues to be poorly managed and run with overpriced venues as last time, maybe it deserves to fall. Not be propper up by the council
@valb
Posted on 30-07-2011 14:35 | By morepork
Right on the button! The death sentence was pronounced on it as soon as they paid "organisers". When it was a cosy, intimate thing and people could wander from cafe to bar and hear different artists, it was a delight. Business owners could organise their own entertainment and it wouldn't cost anything like what is being proposed. If they can't get it right, they should give it up or STOP ORGANISING IT!
BUCH A PLONJER FOR SURE
Posted on 30-07-2011 14:44 | By PLONKER
Clearly a breach of the rules so why have they not resigned themselves out of the place, all unacceptable.
POINTY HEAD SYNDROME
Posted on 30-07-2011 14:53 | By PLONKER
There are to many inferring in the Jazz here, leave it to the bar owners who know how to run a business enterprise properly without handouts galour!
Untitled
Posted on 30-07-2011 15:53 | By wassa
thay need to be carefull what next prop up the wine and food fest blues brews bbqs fest thay need to stand on there own feet like everyone
THEY HAVE BEEN
Posted on 30-07-2011 16:44 | By PLONKER
Most excellant mate, got them with that one.
TCC Funding Policy Broken
Posted on 30-07-2011 17:53 | By Jitter
OK Councillor Baldock so the TCC policy on funding was breached in the past. What's in the past stays in the past. You and your cohorts currently on the Events Committee are the ones who have been caught out now. If media reports are correct you checked with City Hall staff who told you what the policy is but you still went ahead and approved the loan/grant of $90,000. What you have done constitutes as fraud.You should therefore at least resign from the Events Committee just to show a little integrity.The Jazz Festival Committee would be idiots to make a profit next year for if they make a loss the $90,000 loan becomes a non repayable grant. What a fantastic arrangement. I bet everyone wishes they could get a loan like that. Good on Murray Guy for bringing this into the open, and Cr Baldock called him a trouble maker. The mayor is as bad as Baldock as he must have been aware of these rules also and voted in favour of the $90,000 so he has also been caught out. And to think I voted for some of these incompetant clowns. Jeez !
Mother of Two
Posted on 30-07-2011 20:53 | By Mother of Two
Surely by now the Jazz Festival should be self sustainable. Paid organisers are okay provided they are qualified to make prudent decisions and have good business practice. Supposed big name (and big cost) acts that only interest a small proportion of potential audience is not good management. How much did it cost the festival for the management team to go on a junket to USA to 'investigate' new acts? The bar owners on the Strand provide good service to the punters - they are rate payers, tax payers and provide jobs for local people. Let them get on with it and the management team should focus on running successful concerts that cover their costs.
Councillors to discuss policy interpretation thats a joke
Posted on 31-07-2011 08:01 | By KAMIKAZE
CR Baldock you wouldn't start know the meaning of the words vindication transparency and accountability let alone put them into practice.What happened at the Committee meeting on 5July is appalling so just resign and stop continually supporting the waste of TCC ratepayers money.
BLACKADDER & THE BOYS
Posted on 31-07-2011 08:52 | By KAMIKAZE
Jitter - Jeez you are on to it and got your summation of the shambles absolutely right.If the $90k loan is paid out on the Baldock /Crosby Clan terms no one in their right mind would ever make a profit.Clearly it was preplanned like this. The whole Council should resign then a Local Government Commissioner could be appointed to straighten the financial mess out. L O L
Bar Myth
Posted on 31-07-2011 09:53 | By DRich
So far the only ones coming out smelling of roses are the bar owners who apparently knew/know how to run this thing: newsflash, the festival was gifted to them on a platter by the Jazz Committee, in return for a 'levy' of sorts to cover bands and some of them still balked at contributing. Small bunch of tossers ruined it for others as usual
BEND EM LIKE BECKHAM
Posted on 31-07-2011 11:43 | By ANNA KISSED
So now they need to go look at the rules "again" to see how they can "BEND EM" to get the already decided end reult. Shocking setup of all right.
OUTCOME on Council Rules Contest
Posted on 31-07-2011 20:10 | By Insider
Final Result : Cr. Murray Guy 10/10 VS. Cr Baldock & the Crosby Clan 0/10(4 red cards for fibbing) a win to GUY by TKO.
EYES WIDE OPEN
Posted on 01-08-2011 08:45 | By Hebegeebies
Three words spring to mind shameful slippery and smarmy over this little exercise.
What is policy? What was said at meeting?
Posted on 01-08-2011 09:44 | By Inconvenient Truth
Looks like Policy is some guidelines made by councillors whether current or previous. Looks like Policy is something to be made up, altered or ignored depending on whether it suits your point of view. If Council is bound by Policy, how can anything ever change? Reality is that Jazz supporters will think the loan is good and fair, maybe others won't. Speedway supporters will think the Speedway buyout or whatever you want to call it is good, maybe others won't. Interesting to see if Councillor Murray Guy supports Councillor Baldocks attempt to have the record of the meeting made public. Let's keep them all honest.
Whats wrong with people!!!
Posted on 01-08-2011 10:50 | By Becks
DRich Sorry if this comes across rude but it is unresearched statements like that, that will lead to one of "what used to be" the most anticipated events on Taurangas social calender failing!!!! I have partcipated in the jazz festival for the past 11 years and the last few year,s where it has been moved from the CBD I think has been the poorest decision to date! Visitors have commented on how they will not return after having attended for many years as the festival being spread out has contributed to a lack of atmosphere. Mother of two I am with you!!!! DRich the festival is NOT RUN by the bar owners but the Jazz society!!! They have not come out smelling like roses! But are dissapointed that a festival that used to bring visitors to the CBD increasing tourism(prior to being at historic village) has now become a failed event! The Business/Restaurants in the CBD pay taxes, rent and rates which contribute to the local economy. I welcome you to come along to a meeting that the bar/restaurant owners are hosting where you can take away from it more factual information!
The importance of communication
Posted on 01-08-2011 17:27 | By The Tomahawk Kid
@Becks: Where and When is this meeting of the bar owners - I would REALLY like to be there. I think it is imperative that they get together - along WITH the jazz festival organisers to ensure the success of this event - not to mention it is a GOLDEN GOOSE ready for plucking - if only they were to communicate. It would certainly be in the interests of ALL parties concerned. Open up a line of communication between them and the festival. Im sure we ALL want this to succeed - unfortunately the BRAIN of the festival is not communicating with the arms and legs. Communication is the answer here
ITS A LOT WORSE THAN THAT
Posted on 02-08-2011 08:15 | By Scambuster
The decision was wrong it was in effect unlawful and the subsequent information given by those in support was misleading.It doesn't get much worse than this from a public body.In addition the application was a try on and almost certainly a negotiated contrivance to achieve a desired outcome.All this without any merit and completely against Tauranga City Council Policy.
Free money is a poor incentive to success
Posted on 02-08-2011 11:07 | By The Tomahawk Kid
@Jitter: BRILLIANT thinking Sir! (see the following) The Jazz Festival Committee would be idiots to make a profit next year for if they make a loss the $90,000 loan becomes a non repayable grant. What a fantastic arrangement. I bet everyone wishes they could get a loan like that. This is what FUNDING (free money) DOES. This is the incentive it gives - to FAIL. This is what happens when you spend other peoples money. You don't have to earn it, so its easilly spent. When you have to earn it yourself you take much greater care with how you spend it. Its the same with Athletes getting free money - if they fail, they just apply again for more free money. When they have to EARN IT themselves, they have much more at stake, and try even harder not to waste the money by just competing - they have more incentive to WIN.
Minor Correction.
Posted on 03-08-2011 21:38 | By Murray.Guy
A minor correction - albeit 6 weeks or so after the meeting, the minutes have now been distributed to elected members. I mistakenly thought Mayor Crosby has moved the Jazz Festival resolution to provide the $120,000. Incorrect, the Mover of the resolution was Chairperson Larry Baldock, Mayor Crosby voted in support, along with Bill F and new man on the block, Tony. Mayor Crosby was the mover of another significant grant, again passed with the Chairperson's casting vote. In regards the recording of the meeting staff advise the meeting was recorded, in part only, as the secretary was struggling to keep up.
Here's your answer Larry
Posted on 12-08-2011 15:47 | By Murray.Guy
http://econtent.tauranga.govt.nz/data/documents/committee_meetings/2011/August/AGEN%20Council%2015.8.11%20-%20DC269.pdf
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