TCAL CEO Tania Delahunty is hitting back at statements made by Ian Stevenson at a recent Tauranga City Council projects and monitoring committee public forum on July 25.
Tania Delahunty.
Ian, Rob Paterson and Fred Greenville used the public forum to take the city council to task over its handling of the hot pools issue.
Tania says Ian's claim Tauranga City Aquatics Ltd made a $4.222 million loss for the last financial year is not true.
'This loss is an accounting loss due to a financial adjustment for taxation changes,” says Tania.
'This is not an operational loss. The taxation adjustment has been made due to a change in tax laws around building depreciation, which was aimed at preventing rental property owners claiming depreciation on their houses and receiving a tax benefit.”
The law also impacted commercial properties and affected a number of organisations across New Zealand,” says Tania.
This adjustment has been reviewed and aligned off by Audit New Zealand and also council's tax advisors Toovey Eaton.
Ian also asked councillors why there are no water rates or rates paid by TCAL, a commercial entity.
'In our 2011 year end accounts just completed, we have paid rates to Tauranga City Council of $13,334exc GST, and water rates of $111,601exc GST,” says Tania.
'On top of this we pay TCC $180,000 per annum for IT support and $10,000 in admin support of per annum.
'The IT support fee was implemented last year and we did not seek additional rates funding from TCC to cover this cost.”
Ian's claim that Tauranga City Council staff are offered $249 gym memberships with pool use free, is also untrue, says Tania.
'As with any gym we offer corporate memberships, being a 10 per cent discount of full fees where five or more people from the same corporate join. This is standard business offering.
'We have made this offer to council staff. Aside from a couple of intranet adverts placed via the council comms team, we do not access council systems to promote our gym business as for example The Gym do.
'We have tried to remain impartial and only offer council the rates we offer any other members in the public.”
She says Ian has misunderstood the numbers concerning his allegations about the financial impact of the Mount Hot Pools closure.
The Mount Hot Pools current operating surplus of $160,000 a month on average goes to fund the other four Tauranga pools operated by TCAL: Memorial, Otumoetai, Greerton and Baywave.
'So with the Mount Hot Pools closed, we have a shortfall of funding for the other four pools,” says Tania.
'We are seeking a loan from council for this, that we will pay back ourselves.”
On average (and this changes month to month as high an low seasons) with the Mount Hot Pools closed TCAL will be losing $126,000 a month in revenue, says Tania.
On top of this, TCAL will still incur costs, like staffing, line charges for power.
'We have asked staff to take annual leave and we have re- rostered them into the network and we have reduced hours for casual staff,” says Tania.
'We are not legally able to dismiss staff and nor do we want to as the closure is too short and we need trained staff to reopen.”
A small amount of power usage, rates etc are all still incurred and do not cease.
These costs are about $45,000-$55,000 per month, making the loss to the network of pools, about $160,000 per month.
Tania agrees with Ian that the three ‘very basic and small' massage rooms at the hot pools will not entice cruise ship clients and that the cruise ship spas will be superior to what's currently on offer.
The redeveloped hot pools will offer an up-market wellness suite offering a range of treatments including local offerings making use of local products such as kiwifruit, salt, Comvita honey products and oils, says Tania.
'The package, including a soak experience in geothermally heated salt water is unique and something you would not experience on a cruise ship offering.
'We also experience an increase in retail sales whenever there is a cruise ship in port. This tells us that they do come into the facility, but the offering currently is not enticing them – hence the redevelopment.”
Ian's claim it will take 144 massages a day to meet interest payments alone on the $10 million spent redeveloping the hot pools shows he has misunderstood the business case, says Tania. The whole facility will be paying off the debt, not just the massages.
This includes the wellness centre and the aquatic users. Also visitors also spend at the cafe and on merchandise.
The user visits in the business case are:
Aquatics – The goal is 229,300 (year one and growing). We currently do 214,000pa and in the past the annual visits reached 360,000+pa.
Wellness – The goal is 15,000pa (growing). They would also be spending on retail. Our advice is that the average customer will spend upwards of $100 on product after treatment.
Claims the redeveloped pools will seriously impact cafes and restaurants on Marine Parade and put out of business ratepayer owned wellness centres are also denied.
'In terms of the impact to the local cafes and restaurants, you may recall the outcry by these local businesses when the facility closed recently,” says Tania.
'It is envisaged that as a tourist destination our facility will positively impact the likes of restaurants and accommodation and retail businesses.
'The package we are offering is not beauty therapy, as the other facilities do. We are offering a unique experience for a wellness treatment and a soak in hot therapy pools.
'We are not planning on offering standard beauty therapy treatments such as tanning or waxing or semi medical facials (laser treatment, etc).
'In respect of the café we are offering a limited service to our patrons. We have not included a commercial kitchen within our development.”



29 comments
Parking and Access
Posted on 09-08-2011 18:02 | By tabatha
I note that in the reply the bulk of the answer applies to money returns but no mention of where the patrons will park, and how the road flow will continue if buses become involved. Tania you seem to be looking at money making, great but look at impact on a beautiful piece of land and traffic please. Answers to this would be great. Also have you done a proper full check on what the people of Tauranga want for the area?
zara
Posted on 09-08-2011 18:16 | By Zara
Yeah, Yeah, Yeah, Pity you would not listen early on when users tried to tell the water was cold. Remember you are judged on what you have done not what you promise to do. Ask Willy Apiata...........................
FANTASTIC SUPPORT HERE
Posted on 09-08-2011 19:02 | By Ian Stevenson
The comments here are great and appreciated, the effort required to prepare and attend such a meeting is very time consuming, especially when the information necessary is hard to come by and when information is requested Council every hurdle possible is created to obstruct what should be an open, transparent and accountable process for the spending of ratepayers funds.
SPECIAL GYM PRICES FOR TCC STAFF
Posted on 09-08-2011 19:03 | By Ian Stevenson
TCC staff and contractors have confirmed the price paid as $249, I would note that this is considerably more of a discount than 10% noted. The end result is that TCC ratepayers have to pay more to cover the increased losses.
HOT POOLS PROFITS?
Posted on 09-08-2011 19:04 | By Ian Stevenson
Simply there are not any, Wayne Moultrie noted at the Monday meeting that there are 150+ staff at TCAL, that and other costs make a 'profit” impossible. The only possible way for that to happen is TCAL consider that the $$$ paid into TCAL annually by TCC from rates of $4.867m+ is 'income” which it is not.
LOST REVENUE FIGURES
Posted on 09-08-2011 19:04 | By Ian Stevenson
Stated below is $126,000, previously in June 2011 that stated as being $160,000, it would seem that TCAL is getting nearer to the truth here but we are not there as yet. TCAL's own figures produced in Jan 2009 show a lot less that this. When the numbers and amounts stated by TCAL are looked at produce a result that you can't believe you must ask a question or two. I am still awaiting Official Information Act disclosure from TCC/TCAL on this.
MASSAGING THE CRUSIE SHIPS
Posted on 09-08-2011 19:05 | By Ian Stevenson
Stated below is $126,000, previously in June 2011 it is stated as being $160,000, it would seem that TCAL is getting nearer to the truth here but we are not there as yet. TCAL's own figures produced in Jan 2009 show a lot less that this. When the numbers and amounts stated by TCAL are looked at produce a result that you can't believe you must ask a question or two. I am still awaiting Official Information Act disclosure from TCC/TCAL on this.
MORE TCC DEBT AND INTEREST FROM TCAL
Posted on 09-08-2011 19:05 | By Ian Stevenson
The interest rate of 7.5% (approx TCC interest cost over a few years) and the 114 (not 144) one hour massages @ $60 each required to pay the interest bill was to illustrate the huge amount of debt and interest cost and what it would take from 'new sales income” to just pay the interest. No new information is offered here to clearly show otherwise. TCAL note an interest rate of 6.25% which maybe true today, however by the time the money is borrowed the actual interest rates are very likely to have increased. Of course using TCC's actual interest rate may only result from the proposed merging of debt as planned by various Councils in the area.
MORE COMMERCIAL ACTIVITIES THAT ADD TO THE LOSSES
Posted on 09-08-2011 19:06 | By Ian Stevenson
The plans include the day spa, cafe etc these are all directly competing with existing businesses in the area, an increase in 'retails sales” does not mean that there is millions of dollars of revenue from massages, day spa activities etc, the information TCC/TCAL already has clearly shows that, it is being ignored as 'Inconvenient”! 'Inconvenient” is about as far as the business plan goes anyway. It is clear that TCAL intend to expand significantly the commercial activities at the Hot Pools, although that will create a multitude of jobs that will also mean a significant cost to ratepayers, that is the bottom line of it. Bill Faulkner said: - Anything TCC does costs more than anyone else ...
TRAFFIC PARKING BUSES AND SO ON
Posted on 09-08-2011 19:07 | By Ian Stevenson
These are not my comments they were made by others and it would be appropriate that they answered these comments, however the comments made in the presentations of the other parties is justified and correct. A huge amount of tourist traffic would have to come through Tauranga as it does in Rotorua to possibly justify such a Wellness facility, at that time private enterprise will surely build it. I challenge the TCAL director to put there own money up: - Build, and run this facility without a guarantee from TCC. Come on lads lets see you put your own shirt on the line here!
RATES AND WATER RATES
Posted on 09-08-2011 19:08 | By Ian Stevenson
How can TCAL pay water rates when water meters have only just been fitted in the last few months that resulted in an awareness of significant leaks as the Hot Pools. $13,334 in Rates is not the full amount by any means, how about TCAL post up the actual water and rate demands as paid for the five facilities for all to see the truth of it.
Pool operation
Posted on 09-08-2011 19:28 | By tia
Typical of opponents to the pool and redevelopment going off half-cocked and bombarding the media with miss-information to suit their cause. Why give them air time?
Ian S
Posted on 09-08-2011 20:11 | By silverhair
This looks like the Ian Stevenson paper, I wonder if he has all sounded out by now?
Yea yea yea again
Posted on 09-08-2011 20:26 | By Love Tauranga
Well said Zara, Tania is sulking and using up my rate paying money
PR & SPIN -JUST ANSWER THE QUESTIONS
Posted on 09-08-2011 20:53 | By ROB PATERSON
In addition to the full submission made I also posed 20 questions for Councillors to consider in respect of the proposed MOUNT HOTPOOLS /WELLNESS CENTRE REDEVELOPMENT and needless to say there has been no feedback.The questions should also be of real concern to the public and I again put them forward for consideration :- MOUNT HOT POOLS REDEVELOPMENT - QUESTIONS The following are some questions (by no means exhaustive) in my opinion that Councillors need to ask: - 1. Are there any other successful NZ Hotpool / wellness centre / café complexes of the size of the projected Mount Hot Pools without sufficient parking? 2. What independent; expert market research has been conducted? 3. What experience, success, expertise lies within the TCAL Board on the management of a Hot Pools massage and wellness centre facility of this size? 4. Is the cost of losing 24 camp sites included in business case? Plus payment of compensation for losing income to camp operators which is a factor. 5. Is any of the decision maker's money at risk? i.e., are they personally investing in this venture? If they were, would the mindset be any different? 6. Have private developers been invited to comment on the business case? 7. Have independent experts (if any) that have been involved in putting together the business case; been given an opportunity to comment on the business case as presented to Council? Do TCAL have a business case? 8. Have the regular Mount Hot Pool users been properly consulted? 9. Has the financial and patronage business case detail been published? 10. Has a Private Public Partnership been explored? 11. If more people go to the Mount Hot Pools, how will that affect Baywave, etc? 12. What allowances have been built into the business case for a possible continued economic downturn over say the next 5 years? 13. Effect on roading and traffic; especially as people will be parking on the street, if that ever becomes possible, which is doubtful. 14. Existence of and success of park and ride services to similar facilities in NZ? 15. What percentage of Hamner Springs custom (1/2 million people plus use these Thermal Pools annually) is from tourist buses; what allowance has been made in the business case for the fact that tourist buses don't come through Tauranga? 16. What happens if TCAL business case is wrong and the Hot Pools make a loss and how will TCAL cover the short fall? 17. Has the negative effect of a café in the Hot Pools, on the other cafes in the area been included in the business case? 18. Have cruise ship patrons been surveyed to ascertain the likelihood of them using the Hot Pools and Wellness Centre in their very brief stopovers? 19. What amount of money has been spent on developing the proposals and is this included in the business case? An estimated $2 million plus to date, looks to have been spent on consultancy and investigations. In addition staff time, both TCC and TCAL and escalating costs of Appeal. 20. Has any consideration for Tauranga's warm; dry climate (vs. Hamner Springs and Rotorua) been built into the business case? On the environmental front, we all know it is not the same footprint as it is at present but much larger while an outstanding natural feature Mauao is being eroded, the greenness is being lost, it has ecological sensitivity and the ground level view of the Mount will be lost from that part of Adams Avenue, adjoining the Pools. This summary of environmental issues is by no means exhaustive. The Mount is an outstanding natural landscape.
zara
Posted on 09-08-2011 21:03 | By Zara
Go, Ian, Go,You Are one of the few rate payers with an ounce of intelligence . Or is it most rate payers realize the odds are stacked too greatly against the individual who is too busy working to keep these fantasizers in a job, and let this rubbish continue.
Professional moaning
Posted on 09-08-2011 22:20 | By nomoremoaning
Mr R Paterson is a professional moaner, moving from one subject to another. Get a different hobby, not all of Tauranga is as unhappy as you. Many of us like to visit hot pools or baypark etc
Listen to the shareholders
Posted on 09-08-2011 22:23 | By Fun in the Sun
When I say shareholders I mean ratepayers, and it is quite clear a very large proportion do not agree with these redevelopment plans. Why were the hot pools developed in the beginning?? I'm guessing because they are council owned, it was to provide facilities for the towns residents. Lets get back to what councils are meant to do, provide for the locals, and let privately owned businesses focus on fleecing the tourists, if the business case stacks up.
NOTES FROM THE MEETING
Posted on 09-08-2011 23:28 | By Ian Stevenson
TAURANGA CITY COUNCIL Projects & Monitoring Committee 25/7/2011 @ 1.00pm - TCC meeting - public forum. Thank you for the opportunity to address the Committee. TCAL financial position I would like to make some pertinent points about the last annual report of TCAL. Grants total $4.867 m Other revenue is $926,000 Percentage earned is 15.98% Loss for the year as reported is $4.222 m This level of reported external revenue to loss is at or below that indicated nationally. Methodology report In the agenda for the Strategy & Policy Committee dated 15-Jun-2011 there was a letter included dated 15-Mar-2011, it was from Epsilon and Assoc Ltd where it was stated that: 'The sample testing focused on the Greerton health Club. It was confirmed that a consistent methodology was applied to all commercial activities undertaken by TCAL” Obvious questions arise like: - 1 To look at Greerton being one of the smaller outposts of TCAL @ 19% of the overall activity and determine that the whole operation is right is erroneous. 2 Only a small sample of data was used to come to this conclusion, and all was done within the BOPLASS existing audit fee of only $8,350 (2010). 3 Unless someone makes sure and confirms that all the costs are actually in TCAL in the first place then what is the point of reviewing it? 4 What actually is the methodology other than make it up as you go? Perhaps the idea is to split the costs equally between the five pool facilities? 5 Other than the TECT loan of $4m due today for repayment (25/7/2011) where is all of the rest of the debt and interest costs recorded. 6 As TCAL operates a 'commercial” activity how come there are no rates or water rates paid, if it is a commercial activity then it fails to meet the purpose written Baypark rates remission policy of Council. 7 You can only review the methodology by firstly getting all the costs in TCAL, then allocate then by location and activity. 8 In failing to address these issues TCAL are clearly prevaricating. TCAL is still offering deals like $30 for 30 days TCC staff get a $249 annual memberships at TCAL for the gym activities The pool activities are 'thrown in” for free on a gym membership I have requested clarification of a number of aspects of TCAL's financials, the more ask even by official information request the larger the bill gets. I asked: - 'Please provide sufficient information to establish and confirm that TCAL is complying with the Aquatics Policy as to 'non aquatic” activities ?” The cost estimate was provided of $3,200 + GST. I note that this information should be on file as otherwise what is the point of having a policy if no one ever bothers to look to see if it is being complied with? If it was being complied with then why does it cost $3,200 + GST to provide a copy and details? Truth is that the information request response can only be viewed as obstructive and that the position taken only reinforces the idea that there is a lot to hide. Mount Hot Pools The TCAL CEO has been quoted as saying that: - 10,000 to 15,000 customers a month go to the Mt Hot Pools While shut the Hot Pools will lose $160,000 a month But that number means about $13/head entry fees on average is paid It also means 26 people an hour for sixteen hours, 7 days a week, are entering the Hot Pools? Rubbish! If a realistic per head amount was applied here of say $5/head means 32,000 a month or 67/hour. The figures just do not tally here! The only purpose here is to seek to left side the public at all levels. In the end all of this merely falls at the ratepayers feet as debt, interest and more rates. The repairs currently in progress were stated as being 'paid from depreciation account so will not cost TCC ratepayers?” Well I don't care what you call it the contractor is going to want money, and whatever label you create that one way or another the money comes from ratepayers and most likely rates. Wellness redevelopment - MOUNT HOT POOLS The following information may assist Council with regard to the most likely outcome of this ill-conceived project. • In five years not one Cruise ship passenger has received a massage at the Hot Pools according to one full timer working there. • The Day Spa facilities on the ships are and will always be superior to the land based options. • Pick one of these options … have a massage or go to Rotorua / the beach / shopping ? • A independent survey carried out on disembarking passengers was 0% wanted a massage while in Tauranga / Mount Maunganui. It is a shocking state of affairs that: - 1 No proper business plan has been tabled with TCC by TCAL even after requested, why have Council approved money for this project when no one has a plan, or costing or a clue how it is going to happen, it will be no better than the leaky pools. 2 Councillors are meant to have the roll of 'Governance” yet the CCO's involved appear to be free-wheeling e.g. no business plan, issue contracts with -out a building consent, started the preparation onsite with moving the camp office and demolition of the existing office and so on. 3 Reports of the final cost of redevelopment vary between $7.5m and $10.5m for the redevelopment do any of you actually know? Have any of you asked? That is actually part of 'Governance” and of course 'Proven Leadership”. 4 Have Councillors figured out yet how many massages it will require annually to pay the interest only on the debt? $10m at 7.5% = $750,000 p.a., that is 12,500 massages p.a. or 35 per day, one hour sessions for 365 days of the year. 5 Currently TCAL gets 28% of the gross taking from the current massage staff, the payments made are slow and inaccurate on a regular basis. 6 Taking the current contract arrangements into account, that means 114 hourly sessions a day to yield $750,000 for TCAL to meet interest on debt. 7 TCAL still have wages to pay and other costs. Perhaps 200 to 300+ one hour massages a day are needed to cover all the additional operating costs every day of the year. This is simply not going to happen. 8 Where is everyone going to park? with these projected (?) hundreds of people arriving daily and most likely will have to be 24/7 how do they get there on the congested roads and where could they all park especially in the Xmas/ New Year holiday period? TCC business plans and projections All of this leads to some basic and obvious observations that can be made. A. Route K - traffic estimates were grossly overstated by a factor of five and of course as a result the debt is mounting up annually and there is no way out of it now for TCC ratepayers but to be saddled with debt unless NZTA bail us out. B. The Mayor stated that Baypark would not cost ratepayers any money, well you only have to look at the results since the purchase in 2007 and the losses are mounting annually. C. When you look at Baywave's business plan as submitted to TECT the budget shows a profit at Baywave from a couple of years ago, but the actual financial results do not show that at all. The chances of that happening are clearly shown by what happened to Leisure Co Tauranga Ltd (in Liq) and the trail of debts left behind. Add to that the level of overheads at TCAL especially for example the CEO salary of $170,000 p.a. how can anyone possibly make a profit there. The only difference now is that TCC keeps throwing money at it to keep it afloat. D. So when you are considering your procurement policy focus on the administration of it as that along with the City Partners scheme leave gaps where the money flows outward. Councillor Bill Faulkner has in the past stated that anything TCC does costs more than when anyone else does it. The obvious conclusion here is that 'The less that TCC does the better”. E. The current classic project in progress now is the Southern Pipeline the Mayor stated in the Weekend Sun a few months back that the cost is $108m however documents approved here in this Chamber state $166m, then there is in all probability at least that again for Chapel St and Te Munga upgrades when the pipes get there. Add a bit of inflation and there is probably not a lot of change out of $500m in debt for ratepayers. The sad part about the Southern Pipeline is that the technology on the project is 20 years out of date and none of it is necessary.
THE NUMBERS DON'T ADD UP!
Posted on 09-08-2011 23:35 | By Ian Stevenson
Yet more numbers are noted in this article, yet the easiest answer of all for TCAL is to open up the books of TCAL and show all the truth of what is really going on. TCAL is owned 100% by Tauranga City Investments Ltd (TCIL) and TCC owns all the shares there. In end result the money TCAL loose every day of the year comes from rates, they can pretend it is borrowed, self funded, depreciation funded or whatever other label they wish to create but at the end of the day there is a huge amount of cash paid into TCAL each year and one way or another it comes from ratepayers annual rates.
NO!!
Posted on 10-08-2011 00:18 | By methinks
For christsakes Tania recession number two is about to hit, who is going to be able to afford to cruise into Tauranga harbour and buy souvenirs, massages, therapeutic swims blah blah blah, or even afford to drive to the Mount and pay the admission fee!! How the hell are you going to afford to pay a 10 mill debt once this recession hits good and hard in god zone. We are sick to death of listening to your dribble, you are like a kid who doesn't/won't hear no, you just keep on and on and on. You remind me of my 3 year old who thought if she kept at it long enough we would give in to her just to get some peace and quiet! So Tania you need to go to your room and stay there till we say you can come out (in about 10 years). WE DON'T WANT YOU TO MESS WITH THE HOTPOOLS, WE WANT YOU TO LEAVE IT ALONE, WE WANT THE CAMP TO STAY, WE DON'T WANT MORE TRAFFIC CONGESTION, WE DON'T WANT MORE PARKING HASSLES, WE LIKE GREEN SPACE, WE DON'T WANT YOUR WILDEST DREAM TO TURN INTO OUR FINANCIAL NIGHTMARE. WE ARE ALL SO OVER YOU, TCAL AND THIS GOD AWFUL WASTE OF TIME AND MONEY, JUST GIVE IT UP! Are hearing us???
pool water rates
Posted on 10-08-2011 06:28 | By tia
Mr Stevenson get your facts right and stop spreading propoganda to suit your cause. Water meters have been fitted to the Mount Pool since well before LG reform in 1989.
POOL PATRON'S
Posted on 10-08-2011 07:26 | By STRAITAS
Well to change the subject a little bit. TCAL seem to think that heaps of people will flock to the proposed modernized Hot Pool/Wellness Centre Can they really say that in the middle of a hot summer people will go to a hot pool?? NOT!!!! people come to the Mount for the BEACH/WAVES/BABE'S
What water meters would they be ?
Posted on 10-08-2011 09:28 | By Hebegeebies
tia : You say water meters have been installed since 1989.Do you mean the domestic supply of fresh water or are you saying the hot mineral water and salt water supplies that are used for the Mount Hotpools are metered.There is a very important difference you know and you don't want to look silly now do you.?
Simple
Posted on 10-08-2011 12:04 | By Openknee8ted
TCAL is a huge expense when all you need is a manager on site who reports directly to the council.
MESSY NUMBERS
Posted on 10-08-2011 20:59 | By YOGI
At the Hot pools Tania says: Revenue (means total money in before any bills paid) lost is $126,000/mth, There is a "operating surplus" (profit) monthly of $160,000. That has got to be wrong as the revenue is less that the profit, there are a couple of possible reasons for this mistake: Staff pay money in every week ?, Tania really means the annual revenue ? or the figures are all just complete garbage. Come on Tania open up the books so everyone one can see everything, can you do that? PS you only need a copier for that task!
money money money
Posted on 17-08-2011 14:54 | By festino lente
if you cannot find a worthwhile means to part with your money, what to do, what to do If you are TCAL you totally upgrade your as new cafe facilities at your averagely busy premium pool complex, and wait for revenue to boom!! Why is TCAL totally refitting the baywave cafe? If they are funded in the main by the ratepayer, yet cannot keep a pool operating properly, why do they need to refit a cafe? Will a refit mean we pay less rates?!?!
@ FESTINO LENTE
Posted on 23-08-2011 02:04 | By YOGI
The simple answer is "the more they do/think/spend the more your rates will be".
TCAL MASSAGING THE HOT POOLS FIGURES
Posted on 27-08-2011 18:22 | By Ian Stevenson
The TCAL CEO Ms Tania Delahunty, (the CEO) has taken issue with my presentation to the TCC Projects & Monitouring Committee meeting on Monday 25 July 2011. Tania is trying to deal with TCAL financial matters to the exclusion of most other matters raised. Dealing in order with the financial matters raised by the CEO, I respond as follows: - (i) ANNUAL LOSS * Despite the CEO's assertions relating to the year ended 30 June 2010 TCAL reported in its audited Annual Report a loss for the year of $4.222 million, how that is arrived at is not relevant. What else does one need to know other than it is a 'loss”. * The CEO says it is an 'accounting loss as a result of tax changes”, however this is irrelevant because the adjustment would otherwise have been made anyway over time and into the future. Either way there is a loss reported, this is required to be done. The one off adjustment reflects the loss of tax claims for depreciation that are no longer available in the future. * The CEO claims that it is not an 'operational loss” but regardless of the tax changes required by Government sooner or later it adds to the losses reported and related directly to TCAL attempting to run a commercial activity. (ii) RATES AND WATER CHARGES * The 30 June 2010 Audited Annual Report of TCAL does not record or disclose any payment for either, as TCAL's 100% effective shareholder/owner TCC should have been noted in the past has either: - - Made a payment to a related party (TCC for rates etc), or - Made disclosure of 'free” services provided to it (TCAL) I am not privy to the 2011 Annual Report as yet, but I would be more than happy to review if publicly if it is made available now. * A commercial entity, pays 'commercial rates” which are usually higher than residential rates, there is only $13,334 GST exclusive paid for a year for the whole TCAL network, this can not be 'full rates” as would apply across all five pool sites. I request that the CEO table the rate demand (five sites) as paid so as it can be seen for what it is. · Water Rates, these can not be for salt water from the harbour or hot water taken from the ground it can only be for the use of water from the town water supply. Again the same issue arises here about these charges along thelines or the rates referred to above. (iii) COUNCIL SUPPORT COSTS (IT & ADVERTISING) * IT support, what actually is TCAL getting for the $180,000 a year? All that is needed is a means to record accurately the takings. Tania makes reference to this only being paid to TCC in the current year ended 30 June 2011 and that no additional 'rates money” was asked for by TCAL. This I believe is an admission that ratepayers are in this 'Up to their eyeballs!” * Admin support, of only $10,000 pa, clearly this is not enough and amounts to no more than 'pin money”. * Neither of the above two item are disclosed properly in the annual reports to 30 June 2010 or prior, the real issue is TCAL makes substantial losses regardless of the cost shuffling between TCAL and TCC annually. (iv) MEMBERSHIP PRICES - TCAL GYMS * TCC staff and related contractor staff regularly report that the Baywave facilities are available for a payment of $249pa from the member. * Corporate memberships, I would agree that a 10% discount or so as noted would be normal, however evidence has been provided previously that the official gym membership of $948 was being sold for $520 and unlimited pool access was also provided at no further cost (stated value of the pool only membership then was $723), that amounts to about 70% discount and was denied at the time, however the TCAL flyers told a different story. (v) MOUNT HOT POOLS CLOSURE, THE CEO SAYS: - * The CEO says an 'operating surplus” of $160,000 a month average, and * The CEO says that the Hot Pool is losing an average of $126,000 a month in revenue, and * The conclusion from this is that reported operating surplus is more than the revenue. The former is the revenue less the operating costs and so must be less than the latter. * The CEO states later that the network loses about $160,000 a month... * None of these figures add up at all nor make any sense. * The Mount Hot Pools monthly surplus (very dubious indeed) of $160,000 goes to 'shore-up” the losses of the other four facilities being: Memorial, Otumoetai, Greerton and Baywave Pools. (vi) STAFF * TCAL should be able to reduce its 150 staff in cases where restructure or closure has occurred, this is called 'redundancy”. There maybe some doubt about if this if it is self inflicted! (vii) TCAL'S NEW DEBT * The CEO says that surplus from the Mount Hot Pools and the income from the proposed Wellness Center addition is also going to pay off the debt to be raised for the proposed Wellness Center funding. (viii) MASSAGE ROOMS * My comment was that a full time massage person at the Hot Pools over a five year period had not had one Cruise Ship passenger booked in. * In addition the existing rooms are under utilized already as staff seek additional work outside the facility. * Further I commented that my understanding was that a survey of disembarking passengers found no interest in such a facility * This was confirmed by a subsequent speaker, Fred Greenville. * I made no reference to 'three existing massage rooms”. * TCAL have not provided: - any survey of the 'patrons”, a feasible business plan that is peer reviewed as yet, budget that has any reality about it or a business case study that would show how this project can be self funding. * It is clear from the case history of TCC that 'self funding” actually means ratepayers will cough up the exponential losses that repeatedly occur. * Up market Wellness Centre, it is clear that no one has looked at this project objectively and it is not peer reviewed. * We still do not know what option are being 'floated” or promoted besides that one presently before the Environment Court. (ix) WHAT HAS TCC ACTUALLY APPROVED PREVIOUSLY? * How is it that TCAL can accept a contract to build prior to Xmas 2010 yet there was no tendering of this job * Not even the Councillors knew the contract was signed. * Worst of all this was all done prior to the hearing of the RMA consent application which was declined in February 2011. (x) TCAL'S POTENTIAL SPENDING OR PLEDGING OF RATEPAYERS MONEY FOR THE NEXT YEAR BEING THE YEAR TO 30 JUNE 2012. Operating costs 2011/2012 (approximately) $ 4.8 m Interest paid by TCC for TCAL debts 2.0 m+ Wellness Center additions if proceeds # 10.5 m? Consultancy, planning fees, staff time etc, to Feb-2011 (failed RMA Consent) 3.0 m? RMA appeal - estimated costs, consultants and staff etc 0.5m + RMA appeal - estimated complete change of plans x 5 options etc unknown Mount Hotpools urgent repairs, additional works 1.5m + Otumoetai Pools, urgent repairs 0.5m + PR Consultant re Wellness Center/PR Advertising unknown Baywave, pool moveable floor & hydro-slide (?) 1.0 m+ Repayment of TECT Loan (due 25 July 2011) 4.0 m Possible total cost to ratepayers incurred this rating year is: $27.8 m (this represents about 29% of TCC rates pa, borrowed or not) My reference to the number of massages being 114 (not 144) was to illustrate the scale and magnitude of the obligation to earn income to pay the interest only on the debt TCAL proposes to incur. We know TCAL only gets 28% of the massage fees earned so the number needed of 114 was to illustrate the gulf between the interest to be paid and the earnings needed to pay it. What likely increase in the Hot Pools revenue will occur when reopened? Any extra income will have to be allocated elsewhere (not to the new debt) to shore up the losses the CEO has already 'spilled the beans” on. (xi) LOSSES CONFIRMED SO FAR The CEO admits that Baywave, Greerton, Otumoetai and Memorial Park all lose money every year, it is interesting to note that the two gym inclusive facilities at Baywave and Greerton do not make money, it is in fact more likely that they add to the losses based on the staff levels, remunerations paid, and membership rates collected. (xii) POTENTIAL NUMBERS AT THE WELLNESS CENTER There is no business case available to the public to substantiate any claims as to unlikely patronage of the Wellness Centre. The CEO says that there will be 15,000 customers a year, that means each will have to contribute to go to meet the TCAL interest charges and this represents $50 per person in interest alone before any other operating costs, wages etc are considered. (xiii) COMMERCIAL ACTIVITIES The proposed café is yet another commercial activity that will simply compete with the multitude of privately owned cafes in the immediate vicinity. RECOMMENDATIONS a. Disclose all financial information about TCAL to 30 June 2011 immediately b. Make available the business case, budgets, business plans and any reports on the Wellness Center. c. Private Consultants reports, surveys and so related to the consent application and the proposed five new alternatives. d. TCC Councillors mandate should include a binding resolution that it CCO's (including TCAL) must be open transparent and accountable to ratepayers for the ratepayer provided funding that they spend on a timely and meaningful basis the TCC procurement policy should apply to all CCO's. The article above almost says that the "attacks" on the project are intended to be personal attacks on one or more individuals, that is indeed not the case. Hopwever such statements clearly indicate that the factual comments being made are being taken as a personal attack, when if considered professionally and on a factual basis then such a though would not arise. If there is a feeling of guilt, shame or otherwise for this project personally then those parties need to re-focus themselves on the project itself and let it stand or fall on its merits alone.
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