Tolls bad for business

Businessman Bob Clarkson is opposing Tauranga City Council's move to raise the tolls on Route K.

Earlier this month the council approved a 50 cent increase in car tolls on Route K, raising them from $1 to $1.50 – this increase is out for public consultation.

Tauranga businessman Bob Clarkson says increasing the Route K toll is bad for individuals and insignificant for businesses – so what's the point?

'If they want to ruin Tauriko industrial area, go ahead and do it,” says Bob, a commercial property developer with commercial interests in the area.

'Businesses are struggling now without putting the tolls up – and just remember tolls affect the employee, not the trucks,” says Bob.

'So I mean that's the worse thing they could possibly do.

'So they need to get rid of the debt? Ask the National government to take half the debt maybe, and put the rest on the rates bill or something. They have got to deal with it.

'You can't just keep putting prices up, I mean that's just gong to kill the businesses.

'That's just dumb if you do that.”

Bob believes a major supermarket and retail precinct development at Tauriko is still two years away, but a recent completion was a bus assembly plant that now employs 146 people.

'A very big percentage of those are now going to be affected if they put the tolls up,” says Bob. 'Well, that's just naughty.

'I don't believe in tolls within the city boundaries.

'Tolls on state highways is okay and I would willingly pay that, but I don't believe that you should have tolls in cities – it splits the town up.

'You'll isolate Tauriko if you do that. There's got to be better way. Put the petrol price up or whatever's necessary.”

Bob points to the experience of the Sydney Cross City Tunnel for the impact tolls have.

When tolls were initially introduced, traffic dropped to 20,000 vehicles per day.

When they were lifted usage expanded to 53,000 vehicles per day, dropping back to 27,000 when the tolls were re-introduced.

'Nobody used the damn thing so they took the tolls off for a couple of weeks and everybody used it, they put the tolls back on and very few people used it again,” says Bob.

'So doesn't that prove a point – there's got to be a better way.

'If the government came out and explained why they were putting the petrol price up, so we ended up with some good roads, I think the people would tolerate it.

'You don't need to go up much, there're million and million of gallons of petrol and diesel sold.”

Bob, a former National party MP and now Act party supporter, says he will not be standing as an Act party candidate in Tauranga for the general election.

'I will just be a spokesman answering questions.”

The first increase in Route K tolls since they were first imposed in 2003 is to make the road financially viable – a requirement if the NZ Transport Agency is ever to take it off the council's hands.

The car toll increase also brings Route K tolls in line with the projected toll on the Eastern Link highway.

The toll increases are expected to take effect in January 2012.

The council is also proposing a toll-free exemption period in February so it can assess how much traffic is choosing alternative routes because of the toll.

The new bylaw also allows other paying options for users, including a stored value card and brings the toll road's operations into alignment with the Land Transport Management Act, instead of the Route K Empowering Act.

The change of legal framework is necessary, should Route K's operation be taken up by the NZTA.

The Tauranga City Council's Route K public consultation period is open until October 25.

31 comments

SELF INTEREST AND INDULGENCE HERE

Posted on 29-09-2011 08:04 | By PLONKER

Nothing to do with common sense or anything like it, this blurb is all about the flood prone land at Tauriko nw having to face a toll also. Nothing else to it really.


When Bob as MP

Posted on 29-09-2011 09:29 | By Gee Really

He had three years to get the government to take over this road and remove the tolls altogether. Here's an idea. As a businessman with big interests he could subsidise the tolls for everyone. We could rename it Route Bob in his honour.


Bobs Big Stick method

Posted on 29-09-2011 09:35 | By The Tomahawk Kid

Learning from history never was a strong point for any members of the council. Do they have such short memories not to remember what happened when they took the tolls off the harbour bridge? - Let me remind them! Instant GRIDLOCK! I guess that means that more people used the bridge when they took the tolls off! I would be quite happy to pay a toll on this road - and I do when it suits me. I guess you could call that FREEDOM OF CHOICE! The council should SELL THE ROAD - or get rid of it by any means possible - It should not be council business in the first place. SELL IT, and let somebody who CARES and has an investment in it take the risk and make it work - that will NEVER happen while its run by council. As for Bob saying "Put half on the rates bill" - All I can say is "A leopard never changes its spots eh!" Despite joining the ACT party, (The party that purports to be advocates of FREEDOM) Bob is still an advocate of THE BIG STICK METHOD! ie the use of FORCE! Govt ALREADY extort a fortune via PETROL TAXES, which make up over HALF of the cost of a litre of Fuel.


BUILDER BOB VISITS

Posted on 29-09-2011 10:40 | By MASSA KISSED

Well he has all the good ideas lets see him buy it and run it how he wants to. No refunds mate.


Bob's right

Posted on 29-09-2011 12:44 | By Persephone

for all the wrong reasons (as usual). Route K will never make money. At a dollar a crossing, it saves me 30 cents to tavel that way. Or, in other words, it costs me 70 cents to cut 90 to 100 seconds (yes, that's all it saves over Cambridge Road) off my trip. Thats something like $28/hr to drive on that road. Now council wants to increase that to $48/hr, probably more than twice the average hourly wage in Tauranga. Hardly a sales pitch, is it? I do still use Route K, but sure as hell won't if they put the tolls up. It is too expensive now. Council could learn a thing or two from Stephen Tindall...


The Tomahawk Kid

Posted on 29-09-2011 12:52 | By Capt_Kaveman

"tolls off the harbour bridge" huh it was the tolls making the gridlock as i found the traffic was moving better after the tolls were removed, i will never pay a toll unless it saves me the same going any other way


@ MASSA KISSED

Posted on 29-09-2011 14:12 | By PLONKER

I would chuck in the art gallery, all the pools and all of Baypark for free in that deal. hurry up and get it done. In fact I would be more than happy that he took the lot out to Tauriko and kept in there permanently. Hopefullty the next flood would then save him from the burden, no such luck for ratepayers though!!!


tolls

Posted on 29-09-2011 14:15 | By petebennett@xtra.co.nz

As nice as the people that take the tolls, and wouldn't like them to lose their jobs, but why not have automatic toll, or cut the wages by having only a day collection. I can't see the advantage of having someone sat in the booths all night and public holidays.


YES MINISTER

Posted on 29-09-2011 14:38 | By PLONKER

EXACTLY MR BENNETT: But the whole point of pointless spendups by TCC is to create jobs, the more the better. In end result the mountain gets bigger, as logical anD common sense as it maybe that is not how things happen you know.


miles of smiles on Route K

Posted on 29-09-2011 15:41 | By the_fourth_estate

Bob's miles off on this one he's just panhandling for his own industrial developments in the area. I think that Route K is one of the most inspired pieces of civil infrastructure this country has ever seen, the rest of the country should follow Tauranga's example. The congestion on alternative routes is laughable when I can drop some pocket money on the counter and get to the centre of town or out to the Mount in a flash..and you wallies whinge about that? Naysayers need to get out in the wide world and see how the rest do things and stop holdong us all back with their negative and visionless way of life.


TCC - The Chaos Council

Posted on 29-09-2011 15:42 | By Openknee8ted

Unfortunately the Council's manual is Sir Humphrey's Idiots Guide to Government, a document they take literally. The chapter on Road Tolls reads "The amount collected in Tolls should be less than the cost of collecting the Tolls" and "The Toll is not to be used for the expense of building the road or bridge, but is to be used to increase to staffing levels of the public service". Sir Humphrey would be proud of the TCC.


Cambridge Road will increase in volume

Posted on 29-09-2011 17:03 | By Countrygirl

As a resident on Cambridge road, I believe the rising of the Tolls will again increase the trucks and the volume of traffic on Cambrige Road as people will avoid paying a higher toll. Cambridge Road is already a VERY dangerous road for many school children who are daily out on this road walking to school or buses. There are NO footpaths for their safety and huge trucks pass by them doing 80km. Last week my 11 year old was walking home from teh bus stop and was honked at by a passing truck....he got such a fright as it came up behind him that he nearly jumped in front of it!!!!!! Cambridge road feeds onto Moffat raod where there are 2 schools and more traffic will cause more danger for our children. Will it take a death of one of these children before the trucks are forced to take route K???? Higher Tolls will put lives at risk.


This guy has got to be joking!

Posted on 29-09-2011 19:11 | By MASSA KISSED

The nearest he gets to anything is if thre is a dollar in it for self ... the best lable here is "The don of Tauranga", but in truth he should be sent back to Italy, in fact home town on Sicily would seem the best idea so as he must wheel and deal with "his own" at least they understand his game and can deal with it fully.


Charge the

Posted on 29-09-2011 21:58 | By KiwiSteve

developers like Bob Clarkson more fees


Bob's got me on this one!

Posted on 30-09-2011 07:48 | By Murray.Guy

At last, a voice in support of kicking tolls to touch.Aside from half of that collected being wasted on collection costs, not the road cost, they're grossly anti-economic growth, stymie city wide benefits. Major new roads, such as Route K, provide benefits for the wider community with tolls significantly limiting those benefits. Bring back the 'regional fuel tax, proposal - alternatively, sell a few traffic hazard trucks! The moment tolls are considered as a means to design a road (EG: Route K), the design is determined by toll collection rather than best benefits (minimal opportunity add value). Council (TCC & NZTA) is just starting a million dollar spend at 11th Avenue / Cameron Road, quite reasonably could be delayed with the removal of traffic on to Route K. Put aside your attacks for a moment and think about it!


With you Bob

Posted on 30-09-2011 08:53 | By spanky

I've never used it. Wont pay money to use a road,so sure as hell wont pay more. I live in Greerton. If I'm going to town I use Cameron Road, if going to Bethlehem, go Cambridge Road Not going to affect me either way


PAY TOLLS OR RATES

Posted on 30-09-2011 17:01 | By WORMTONGUE

End result we all pay one way or another, however at present the situaiton is that TCC are just adding the losses to the debt becasue of the excessive costs to run it, staff it etc. The running of it can help if it were a little more efficient. Certainly the traffic volumes between say 7-9am and 4-6pm would be worth collecting but also that is the times you want to get traffic off other roads to. I reckon you should have tolls between say 7am -7pm week days, forget about the rest, nothing at the weekends evenings or holidays, the costs would be say 1/4 and the tolls collected would be maybe 75% of now, that is better right!


Only in NZ

Posted on 30-09-2011 18:55 | By fallaowl

Yes, the developers should pay for the rest of the road! There swamp development is all based on route K (which is a really great bypass)linking it to Tauranga & the Mount. It is the same for most of the other subdivisions in the city. Grant resource consent, but the developers don't want to know about the increased infrastructure needed to support these pop everywhere developments.


@mamakissed

Posted on 01-10-2011 11:23 | By The Tomahawk Kid

Why else should he do it if there wasnt a dollar in it for him. Why does ANYBODY provide you with ANYTHING if there is not a dollar in it for them? It is this VERY thing (ie capitalism) that provides YOU with EVERYTHING that you enjoy today If you do not value it, then Dont buy into it. It is a much better and fairer and more moral system than FORCING people to pay for things they dont want. but we have been so brainwashed by the socialists to expect nanny to wipe our bottoms for us that we think it is a RIGHT to to STEAL other peoples money to pay for things we want. MONEY is very simply just something we can exchange for a service or product we as individuals see a value in.


@ TOMMY

Posted on 02-10-2011 14:50 | By ANNA KISSED

Actually for example: TCC do force and demand that we all pay for things, where have you been? Even when you don't want it e.g. Mount Hot Pools redevelopment, everthing said "NO" even the public said 85% "don't want it" but they go and try to do it anyway. He is looking for a "free lunch" here mate, wake up and smell the grass.


Where have YOU been more the question.

Posted on 03-10-2011 19:31 | By The Tomahawk Kid

Show me somebody here that is NOT looking for a free lunch! - we are very few and far between. You could count on one hand those of us on here who are ONLY TOO AWARE that the council force people to pay for the wish list of the majority, and I would be number one on the list! - where have YOU been?


I WANT A PICNIC BASKET

Posted on 04-10-2011 01:34 | By YOGI

But of course I do not expect others to pay for it, I just want to borrow the contents of it. This is a little like the piggy bank at TCC of course, someone always wants to have the contents, same applies here right ?


ONLY

Posted on 04-10-2011 12:52 | By PLONKER

Then like who cares about that other than you?


TOLLS BAD FOR BUSINESS

Posted on 05-10-2011 04:09 | By ANNA KISSED

Heading correction, that really means that "oh heck I have dreamed up a new way to make even more money all for me ...."


WHY ONLY CARS?

Posted on 05-10-2011 14:21 | By YOGI

Surely the tolls for all users should be increased by 50% to, how about a $1 for motor bikes as well, only fair. I think Politicians should be required to use teh road and pay $20 a time as they made the silly descision on the first place, so they should pay the losses and increased debt, now that is fair.


ALL FOR ONE AND MORE FOR ME!

Posted on 06-10-2011 01:00 | By MASSA KISSED

All sounds about right if you ask me, this has nothing to do with a "good decision" it all has heaps to do with personal gain. Perhaps Bob should go and visit his old mate and long time friend Stephen Town now at NZTA and tell him to to help here by offloading the road and the debt to NZTA, I am sure these two could scheme up something between them to get it done.


MORE TOLLS?

Posted on 06-10-2011 20:10 | By PLONKER

The only way to benefit here from all of this Bob is if you pay off the debt and that of course means giving a bit of cash back to whence it came from, it would the right thing to do.


PAY FOR YOUR OWN SEWER LINE

Posted on 08-10-2011 16:38 | By ANNA KISSED

What with round abouts, free sewer lines and free tolls as well how many subsidies does a developer need to get from ratepayers. Not shown in the land price or rent paid mate, can not do!


GIVE THE ROAD TO BOB !

Posted on 09-10-2011 02:15 | By MISS ADVENTURE

If we did that then i bet that there would be lots of tolls to pay, bet that he would not allow free usage and yet the debt was still thre to be paid. On this scheme of things you would also think that paying rates should be free to, but of course it is already or you right.


TO MANY FEEDERS IN THE TROUGH

Posted on 10-10-2011 17:51 | By ANNA KISSED

There are just to many free lunches here, to much paid by Council and then added to everyones rates, the developers should be paying all the costs as the costs fairly should be added to the cost to develop and not a burden to ratepayers to have to borrow and pay for later.


PROFITS OF DEVELOPERS

Posted on 13-10-2011 23:33 | By MASSA KISSED

They do not pay there way, it is so wrong, this guy for a start has done so much harm to ratepayers generally especially with the Baypark but that is just the tip of the iceberg as the ticket has not just been clipped it has been completely savaged, chomped and some, all in the name of greed and money, I have no problem with someone doing a good deed, hard work and all that but this bloke is "different".


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