A supplier of air-raid type tsunami sirens is challenging the city council to literally hear them out in a siren sound off.
City enginer Howard Severinsen told councillors an offer to supply air-raid type sirens to Tauranga was declined because it ‘lacked credibility'.
'As the design engineers and suppliers that offered sirens to TCC, we are left with little option other than to respond to the article, especially given that the council have never told us they had any issues with our credibility, nor hinted at it,” says Gary Lewis from siren manufacturer Tactical Tooling Ltd.
'Nor have they tested our sirens despite our repeated offers to bring sirens to Tauranga and test them, at no cost to Council. We would have thought it was an offer a prospective buyer of sirens couldn't refuse, and that offer still stands indefinitely.
'If we can execute a test demonstration of our machines at Papamoa, there will be no further dispute about reach and sound character because these machines are, without exaggeration, quite spectacular. We challenge council to take up this offer at no cost to ratepayers.”
The story reported councillor Bill Grainger's ongoing opposition to the electronic sirens that have been recommended by council staff. He was commenting after a test of the same sirens in Christchurch was criticised because they were unheard by residents.
Bill wants the howlers because they have a sound that will go through walls and wake people up.
Gary Lewis says Tauranga will need only 6-8 sirens because they can be heard up to 32 km in good conditions.
'Why not just put it to the test?”
Because the boosted sirens are very loud with four times the reach of a conventional rotary air raid siren, they are intended to be 'blip” started which makes them emit a loud grunting sound to warn nearby people to cover their ears and move away when they are about to start up.
'There is no comparison between sinusoidal hooters (electronic sirens), and the Carter type air raid siren because the electronic hooters produce waves that are continuous tones, whereas the boosted Carter siren produces individual shock waves at a rate of up to 550 shocks per second,” says Gary.
'Each shock is a sonic boom caused by instantaneous air reversal exceeding velocity of sound. Electronic hooters are incapable of producing that kind of wave shape.
'A good analogy is the small but famous Vancouver 9 oclock gun which has been firing a single shot every day for more than a hundred years. The shock wave from it is heard 70km away under ideal conditions, and regularly heard at 50km.”
A recent installation of tsunami sirens at Moera in Lower Hutt city, took less than 4 hours, including re-programming the SCADA radio control system to cycle the siren against hearing damage to passers-by, says Gary.
Tauranga already has identical SCADA control terminals to those used universally by councils, so the 'design and build” referred to by Howard Severinsen is actually little more than digging holes for poles.
Councils have more than enough resources to carry out simple installation work, plus access to local contractors, says Gary.
As for the resource consent objection, emergency sirens are specifically exempted from local body bylaws and regulations, and there is an implied exemption from the RMA.
Tactical Tooling recommends powering its sirens from a propane gas generator, because unlike diesel and petrol, propane has an indefinite shelf life in storage, and the use of a generator means the siren is not dependent on mains electricity.
The article also prompted comment from Wilfried Roding, CEO at Meerkat Alert Systems Limited. Meerkat alarms are the one that will probably be used.
He says the Tauranga tsunami system based on multiple strategically located short-range directional electronic outdoor sirens, is intended to target only the vulnerable communities within the innundation zones, to minimise unnecessarily alarming persons not at risk.
This type of system has been successfully operating in Auckland and other regions in NZ since 2007.
He says claims for the loudness of the air raid type sirens is a little far fetched.
A 4kW double-ended Carter type air-raid siren will have a rated output of about 129dBA @ 1m, whereas the 200W Meerkat electronic horns proposed for Tauranga are each rated at about 134dBA @ 1m.
And, electronic sirens can copy any sound including speech and the wail of a WW-ll siren, if that were to be required.
The ability to generate different signals in succession allows for multiple messages such as, for example, ‘Alert', ‘Evacuate' and ‘All Clear' to be broadcast.
The determining factor is: ‘How big' is practical and permissible for a siren to be installed within legislative constraints and to avoid exposure to hearing damage, says Wilfried.
A house will typically attenuate sound by 20-50dBA depending on construction , open windows, ambient noise, siren sound frequency, irrespective of whether the source is a mechanical or an electronic siren.
'Outdoor sirens will therefore warn some, but not all people indoors, and are consequently and essentially that – outdoor warning sirens,” says Wilfried. 'It is important to understand that sirens, although a primary alerting tool, operate hand in hand with other media and alerting systems, as part of a multi-tiered and integrated emergency notification process.”
The mission critical nature of a tsunami siren system demands that it is continuously and automatically monitored and always guaranteed to function, including during power outages. This is much more easily achieved and less costly with electronic sirens, says Wilfried.
'If we believed that if mechanical sirens were a better solution, we would be supplying these instead. It only takes a few minutes in Google to verify that mechanical siren systems are progressively being superseded by electronic versions, for good reason.”



16 comments
The question is ...
Posted on 06-08-2012 08:32 | By Murray.Guy
... do we put egos before best outcomes, peoples lives and their credit cards? TCC has clearly and repeatedly stated they have decided on absolutely the best option for our community. By majority, elected members agreed. I didn't agree with the majority (nothing new there) at the meeting the decision was made and I still don't. Firstly, the investigation into options was significantly restricted by mindsets more focused on issues other than cost effectiveness and saving lives. A 'TAURANGA CITY WIDE' emergency alert siren system is required, NOT just a coastal tsunami system! A system that, ideally will penetrate structures. A siren that forms part of a suite of options when a community is at risk from a variety of potential events / threats. Fewer sirens hugely reduces installation and on going maintenance costs. I look forward to a 'yet to be had' presentation by Gary Lewis from siren manufacturer Tactical Tooling Ltd in the Council Chambers, followed by an external demonstration, replicating the earlier tests done by staff at Papamoa that went unheard.
TRY THEM
Posted on 06-08-2012 08:40 | By tabatha
As a shareholder of this city, eg ratepayer, I say try and evaluate. Councillors you are elected by the people and need to listen, I have noted many people, and therefore you need to buy the best and the most reasonable cost efficient sirens. Come on people start writing and put your thoughts out to the elected few.
Do It Council.
Posted on 06-08-2012 10:02 | By The Oldies 002
Better to be a little hard of hearing than dead.
Common sense...
Posted on 06-08-2012 13:47 | By penguin
I am forced to wonder who is in whose pocket with the rhetoric over the sirens. If the makers of the electronic version are so sure that they have the better product, then they would have no problems in allowing a 'competitor' to prove the point one way or the other. In the meantime, there is another possibility - the screams from the victims of a tsunami may end up being louder while the arguments rage on! It is time some of those in high places got over themselves and let common sense prevail.
Hi Murray
Posted on 06-08-2012 13:50 | By penguin
I take a line or two from your comments re the sirens ("I look forward to a 'yet to be had' presentation by Gary Lewis from siren manufacturer Tactical Tooling Ltd in the Council Chambers") and ('A system that, ideally will penetrate structures”). Putting the two together (using some poetic licence) suggests that a ‘practical demonstration in the council chambers may penetrate some structures...' I leave that to one's imagination.....
Comment
Posted on 06-08-2012 14:40 | By ian.mcdonald
The credibilty of the Company Tactical Tooling Ltd (TLL)has never been an issue for TCC. TLL was one of seven companys that responded to a tender document that TCC issued containg a number of Technical criteria. TLL progressed to the interview stage with two other companys..When compared to the two other companys tenders TLL was judged to have not met the specified criteria to the same extent. Of the remaining two companys Meerkat Alarm systems Ltd has been appointed to carry out design and consenting at this stage for their proposed system. Ian Macdonald - TCC General Manager City Services.
So.....Mr Macdonald?
Posted on 06-08-2012 15:08 | By penguin
Mr Macdonald, that being the case, please come into the open with where TLL "fell short." There must be something more to the issue if TLL feels the need to go public and so "enthusiastically" with their case. How is it that TLL was apparently not told of "credibility" issues nor even had them 'hinted' at? Something does not feel right about this saga!!
Go For Broke Murray
Posted on 06-08-2012 15:41 | By tabatha
If as you propose is the ideal because those of us in higher places can keep off the roads etc to allow for evacuation from lower areas. I wonder if people like Ian McDonald who who for the CEO of TCC, who in turn is employed by the city. That means ratepayers money, and I am sure if Ian is a ratepayer he does not pay his own salary. These workers in the TCC need to remember where their pay ultimately comes from, that is the ratepayers and in real terms ratepayers are the employers. Responsibility is to all people of Tauranga. Please representatives tell these guys in the council building we all want the best and if necessary the elected few need to see and hear all alarms. Murray push for a review of this set up.
The Louder The Better
Posted on 06-08-2012 16:47 | By Jitter
Does it matter if the sirens volume causes residents to put their hands over their ears. The louder the better I say because people will then HAVE to take notice of them and they willcertainly hear them. TCC, give TTL a fair go so that their product can be compared fairly with that of Meercat which nobody in Papamoa heard when they were actually tested.
Common sense is so uncommon
Posted on 06-08-2012 16:58 | By Adrian Muller
I live less than 200 metres from one of the sirens placed in Papamoa,ofppostie Alexander Place, and was waiting to hear it during the test run a few months back. I heard nothing of it! During that morning however I did hear the local fire station over 2 kms away, raise an alarm, and thought that must have been the tsunami siren. But it wasn't. I ask Murray Guy to NAME the councillors who voted against the idea of having the free demonstration from the group that has oiffered it. I wonder if itincludes the two from the Papamoa -Mount area! If so I will raise it with them at the next Papamoa Progressive Association Meeting. At least there will be plenty of empty buses that might be co-opted to ferry residents from Papamoa East in the event of a tsunami alert, if it came during daylight hours. They still run almost completley empty day in day out down to Papamoa East's far reaches. The good news is that geo-physicists have estimated that if White Island blew up, the tsunmai would reach a height of only about 50 cms on the Papamoa shoreline, as it would be a "point origin" event, not a tele-tsunami that is a quite different story.
Jitter
Posted on 06-08-2012 17:15 | By Papamoaner
To be fair, the earlier tested siren was not Meerkat. But it was a similar electronic siren presumably imported by another company. The Meerkat version of it appears from the photos to possibly be purchased from a US website called ATIsystems.com If you google sirens and alert systems then click images, you can see them all.
If it were me
Posted on 06-08-2012 22:42 | By CC8
If I were Mr Lewis/Tactical Tooling, I would just set up a siren on a trailer and fire it up at lunch time one Saturday somewhere on Domain Road.....that would get the Mayor's attention, and prove/disprove how many people in Papamoa hear it.
Dear Mr Merkat
Posted on 06-08-2012 23:55 | By tibs
You say "He says the Tauranga tsunami system based on multiple strategically located short-range directional electronic outdoor sirens, is intended to target only the vulnerable communities within the innundation zones, to minimise unnecessarily alarming persons not at risk." If I'm in danger of being "inundated " (note the spelling) then I'd really like the not at risk people to be aware of my peril. Or should all the coastal dwellers be swept away and those not at risk could awake, probably in a state of alarm, when they find they've lost a lot of other citizens? Are these also the "Meerkat" type of siren that was trialled under the rescue helicopter as a means of warning? Epic FAIL! Only heard because people knew it was coming at noon on a Saturday.
Northland siren tests
Posted on 08-08-2012 10:31 | By Tony Valley
In one of these articles, your city engineers said the meercat sirens at Omaha beach are very good, but if you google 'omaha beach siren talk' you will see 11 public comments on the test. They are all negative. What happened at Papamoa tests and Christchurch tests, also happened at Omaha beach way back in 2009 - Failure! So who is telling great big porkies here? Or more to the point, WHY?
Mr Roding of meercat
Posted on 08-08-2012 10:48 | By Tony Valley
How can you say the air raid sirens claims are far fetched? what do you base that on? Are you just repeating someone else opinion from TCC? We are all well aware of the capability of those amazing old sirens, and now a NZ firm has vastly improved them further right here in Kiwiland. Just look at the photos. They look serious alright. You are foolishly commenting before they are tested. Not like those cheap imports you installed in Northland and people complained about. Same in Christchurch and they still haven't got the message.
Sort it out people.
Posted on 19-08-2012 11:30 | By The Tomahawk Kid
This debacle could be resolved withing about 45 minutes with 3 simple steps. The only reason it is NOT is because it is overseen by COUNCIL - an innefficient, hydra-headed MONSTER that EATS other peoples money. SOLUTION: STEP 1: Advertise a meeting to all those directly at risk. Have those who give a damn assemble at a park in Mt Maunganui. STEP 2: Assemble all the sirens to be trialled, on the beach at Papamoa, and fire them up 1 after the other. STEP 3: Chose the siren that you can hear. End of story.
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