Air raid siren challenge ‘unlikely’

The challenge for a tsunami siren sound-off issued by the Papamoa Progressive Association after last week's tsunami siren test is unlikely to be taken up by the city council.

Councillor Bill Grainger, who is himself an advocate of the ‘air raid' style sirens that were tested in Papamoa and Mount Maunganui last Friday, says council staff are locked into the process set by council.


Papamoa Progressive Association organised the independent tsunami siren test in Mount Maunganui and Papamoa last Friday.

In August the council let the first part of the tsunami contract, the design engineering and consenting, to Meerkat Alert Systems, which produces electronic sirens.

The final decision as to which sirens will be installed is to be made by the city councillors at the November meeting.

City engineer Howard Severinsen told councillors at the time that the company that tested the air-raid sirens last week, Tactical Tooling's application didn't make it through the interview process.

Tactical Tooling CEO Gary Lewis responded to Howard's comments made in a public meeting, saying council staff never told Tactical Tooling they had issues with their credibility.

City council has not tested Tactical Tooling's sirens despite offers to bring sirens to Tauranga for testing, and invitations to hear installed Tactical Tooling sirens in the Hutt Valley.

The PPA then decided to take matters into their own hands and arrange an independent siren test as it was felt earlier tests conducted by council were not accepted by the community.

'We'll do the best that we can, it's not only Howard Severinsen, it's the other councillors -they are the ones who put their fingers in the air to say yes or no. So it's coming to us again in mid-November,” says Bill.

'That will either be the final tick in the box or not. There's not a great deal that we can do. I've talked to Howard two or three times as well.”

Bill says council staff are locked into the current process as the council directed they give the first stage of the contract to Meerkat.

'We will have to do the best we can with what we have got,” says Bill.

'If I can persuade any of the other councillors to turn, then so be it.

'Steve Morris has really made it a bit of a thorn in their side and it'll make them think. I've been very favourable to what he has been doing. My golden rule to get the best outcome I can for the community.”

Bill supports the installation of ‘air raid' style sirens and believes they can be installed at a quarter of the cost of the electronic siren systems and be heard over a greater distance with a sound more likely to penetrate buildings and wake people at night.

'Why do we have to have 60 Meerkat sirens on 10 metre poles scattered about the city when we can do it with eight, or ten at the most,” says Bill.

Which sirens will be used will be decided when the council goes to stage two of the tsunami siren process, the manufacturing and installation tender.

24 comments

Air Raid sounds like the one

Posted on 23-10-2012 12:12 | By kiwi3

It's a no brainer - 1/4 of cost and heard by more people.. What is this council thinking with? Surely the purpose is to warn as many as possible.


6 Years Jail in Italy for Failure to warn Properly.

Posted on 23-10-2012 13:41 | By tabatha

Having heard that 6 people in Italy have been Jailed for failure to provide information re earthquakes etc. These so called council workers better re think if this happened in Italy, could this happen here? Please workers remember you are playing with peoples lives and NO PRICE can be really put on a life. Please Councillors, who are the elected ones, you represent the people of Tauranga and your duty is to listen. Come on people of Tauranga start telling these people what you want. We seem to be living in a country where elected people stop listening to their bosses, that is residents of Tauranga and then NZ.


FAILURE TO COMPETE

Posted on 23-10-2012 14:19 | By Secret Squirrel

Is like placing ones head in the sand so as the decision already made can be retained in blissful ignorance.


AIR RAID SIREN

Posted on 23-10-2012 14:33 | By crazysteed

Looks like TCC muppets have made their mind up even before they even heard the air raid siren. So now thats it look's like the meerkat sirens are going ahead. TCC muppets you're lost my vote for the next election. Steve Morris you have my tick for the air raid sirens proven over 70 years and TCC muppets are deaf they havent listened to the people of Mt Maunganui & Papamoa.


Boo!

Posted on 23-10-2012 14:34 | By wreck1080

Those air raid sirens were brilliant. I've never heard the councils tests (assuming they ran tests). Isn't it a slam dunk, the air raid style sirens are cheaper, louder, and you need less of them. How did the airriad siren company not make it through the interview process? On what basis is the meerkat system superior?


If Bill is suggesting

Posted on 23-10-2012 15:58 | By jenny69

That 10 sirens can replace 60, dont you then start wondering how loud these 10 sirens will be? Like - burst your ear drums loud? Is it possible that these 10 sirens do not meet with Health and Safety requirements? Perhaps that is why they are so cheap.


Steve for Mayor!!

Posted on 23-10-2012 17:07 | By Adrian Muller

This tsunami siren issue is obviously going to become a major local council election issue, and I for one will be fully supportive of Steve Morris if he decides to stand for Council. As for "69 whatever" position you prefer, it would be better to have eardrum problems than drown, I would have thought! I was directly beside the test sites of the recent Air raid" type sirens, and was able to cover my ears with my hands, and did not have any problem.


siren system

Posted on 23-10-2012 17:13 | By vinniz

LETS NOT FORGET COUNCIL MEMBERS UNTIL IT'S SIGNED OFF THERE IS ALWAYS TIME TO CHANGE THE PLAN. Please respect that sometimes old technology can still be useful and better. Wouldnt it be useful to know when this 2nd stage meeting is to be & is it an open forum. Surely on a council resource consent terms 10 is better than 60 sirens, & im sure that the OSH requirements will be taken into consideration either way. Some of the comments make you wonder..


OH crikey!

Posted on 23-10-2012 17:48 | By AratakiJive

@Jenny69.. Another PC dolt. Peoples livesin danger through a tsnami and you would worry about eardrums? Death is permanent. Thats the biggest problem here in gawdzone. OSH's PC Police are a right pain in the ass. No common sense


Do it properly, or not at all....

Posted on 23-10-2012 18:32 | By dgk

Lets have real live tests from all tenders will proper testing and polling of all Papamoa and Mount to find out exactly who did and didn't hear them. What's the bet TCC would be forced to pay for all that as well. No point. Just have a proper tender process, as has already been done.....Not that I heard the private funded test from downtown Mount. It was just another failure.


Excellent Idea!

Posted on 23-10-2012 23:27 | By Steve Morris

@dgk: You guys at do quite a bit of research & evaluation work for TCC, how about doing a survey of Mount and Papamoa residents pro bono?


Here's a thought....

Posted on 24-10-2012 08:03 | By earlybird

if you want to be safe from Tsunamis don't live at the beach! When the sirens go off for real there'll likely be instant panic. Every intersection will be blocked by crashes as road rules go out the window. Thousands of people on foot heading for the Papamoa Hills will create bottlenecks at pinch points, and if it's night time it'll be 100 times worse. Sorry to be so negative but you need to be realistic about these things - sirens are not going to save you all.


.

Posted on 24-10-2012 08:15 | By Adrian Muller

Wayne Moultrie is part of the procurement panel which will make a recommendation to Council as to what they, in their collective wisdom think is the "most appropriate" system to be implemented and until that panel has completed its report and reported back to Council its views are confidential. Council will then decide which is the most appropriate warning device. I assume therefore that Wayne's views on the efficacy of the Waiwera test he visited are also confidential. Will Council's discussion on this be held 'in committee' or open to the public? Anyone know?


To Earlybird

Posted on 24-10-2012 09:23 | By Papamoaner

The purpose of the sirens is to give early warning. If we know a tsunami is coming in say 2 hours, that gives us enough time to walk to safety. Sirens are not for tsunamis coming immediately. Nothing can protect us against that. Hardly rocket science.


reply to Adrian Muller

Posted on 24-10-2012 16:57 | By Papamoaner

That's an interesting point Adrian makes. Weren't they supposed to be looking at Electronic sirens at Omaha beach? Are they silent on it because the public feedback on their sirens was 100% negative?? google - 'Omaha beach sirens'. Makes interesting reading.


SIREN TENDER

Posted on 24-10-2012 21:26 | By Secret Squirrel

I wonder if the reason for the resistence to the better/older sirens is because the tender has already ben let by Council staff, that would explain the sidelining of all other options.


PRE

Posted on 25-10-2012 12:04 | By Secret Squirrel

Sounds a lot like the Hot Pools in late 2010 and early 2011 where we all are still awaiting to hear what the exit cost was relating to the failed RMA for the so called "upgrades" and wellness centre.


MORRIS 100%, COUNCIL 0%

Posted on 04-11-2012 11:16 | By PLONKER

.


WHAT TENDER?

Posted on 05-11-2012 15:18 | By YOGI

therer was never really a tender in progress, what this whole saga has shown is how TCC opperate, with all the "smoke and mirrors" going on pretending to the public and Councilors that all is well that there is a tender "in progress" yet all has already been decided before it even got to the Council chamber.


THE BIGGEST LOSER IS?

Posted on 10-11-2012 13:17 | By Schroden-Fraude Bob

Tauranga ratepayers as they are paying for something that is overpriced, does not work and was a set up from the start. The Councilors have been mislead and it is all a complete sham -Citizens Monitoring Council-


Current Process

Posted on 11-11-2012 17:25 | By Fatcat

When did "current process" become more important then the safety of TCC constituents. What a joke.


CAT FATTY

Posted on 12-11-2012 23:26 | By PLONKER

yes true, when ones politicial life (gravy train) is at risk of course, then watch them jump ship in a flash.


And the truth is???

Posted on 13-11-2012 10:38 | By Fun in the Sun

we will never know. The simple answer is the people affected want the cheaper option, easy decision one would think. But wait there's more, but it wont be spread over several easy payments. Council will have its way and it will be spread over several payments (rates) but it wont be easy.


OTHER SIREN TEST

Posted on 19-11-2012 12:09 | By YOGI

Apparently The Mercat sirens have not left Auckland, so that means the test done was with some other siren of unknown brand. This all seems very strange indeed, the previous articles seemed to clearly lead all to think that Merecat was being tested and that they were the tenderer that TCC staff had predetermined to be the providers?


Leave a Comment


You must be logged in to make a comment.