Residents fight camping bylaw

Marine Parade residents aired their opposition to Tauranga City Council's freedom camping bylaw in chambers yesterday, citing traffic, environment and community as the key issues.

The council is currently hearing public submissions on its draft bylaw that will prohibit motor homes parking overnight between Adams Avenue and Banks Avenue, but allow them in marked spaces for up to two nights along the rest of Marine Parade, excluding directly outside homes.

Marine Parade resident Graham Matthews is one of the Mount homeowners concerned about council's freedom camping bylaw.

Marine Parade resident Dr Stephen Connell spoke in support of his submission by phone from Canada. He says allowing freedom camping along Marine Parade will just make things worse.

From his second floor window overlooking the dunes, he's seen 'more backsides than a proctologist” and made countless trips across the road to hand toilet paper to people toileting in the dunes, he says.

Council's bylaw will only make things worse he says, and put extra pressure on the sensitive dune ecosystem, and dunes that have been re-stabilised with work from the Marine Parade community.

He also talked about the Marine Parade residents' sense of community and how he remembers walking with his father, picking up rubbish left by summer visitors.

Police are already stretched during the summer holiday period and unable to respond to anything other than serious crime, say Stephen. They will not be able to police any bylaws.

Traffic issues were brought up by other submitters who say there is no cycle lane and that angle parked camper vans will force cyclists further out into an already busy road in summer.

Similar complaints were aired in submissions from ratepayers adjacent to other parks; Ferguson Park in Matua, and Memorial Park where freedom camping will be permitted.

Papamoa Holiday Park director Bruce Crosby opposes permitting freedom camping in nearby reserves, but says he understands the council is being compelled by central government to comply with rushed legislation introduced for the Rugby World Cup in 2011.

He's read the Freedom Camping Act, and sympathises with the council's position.

'I have read it and I feel sorry for the council today,” says Bruce.

'You have my utmost sympathy.”

The law means council is compelled to allow self-contained camper vans to park overnight within the city, unless it can produce compelling reasons why not, backed up with evidence.

As councillor Murray Guy said to one submitter, people can park a camper van all day and all night on Marine Parade legally - the only issue is if people are sleeping inside.

The New Zealand Motor Caravan Association submission offered council its own bylaw its drafting in consultation with Local Government NZ and the Department of Conservation.

'We are drafting a model freedom camping bylaw to promote the development of consistent, lawful bylaws nationwide,” says policy advisor Tony Gavin.

He also wants overnight camping extended to three nights to match the time on the self-containment warrants.

Council will now deliberate on the submissions.

23 comments

Helpful

Posted on 14-08-2013 11:03 | By bushman

Dr Stephen Connell sounds like decent sort of a bloke,i just hope they aren't half way through their business when he takes over the toilet paper


lol

Posted on 14-08-2013 11:33 | By Capt_Kaveman

"submission by phone from Canada" that just says it all


Council need to go and look at what is happening

Posted on 14-08-2013 12:32 | By The Sage

Instead of sittig in their Chambers and relying on members of the public to tell them what is happening in the parks and places these people are camping. Form working parties and actually go and have a look for themselves. It seems a fait accompli that they will probably make the changes and the rate payer, once again will foot the bill as compliancy and policing costs are huge. Why would the Council even be considering? The majority of these people put nothing into our community so they expect the rate payers to pay out for some out of town freedom campers. What a rort.


Overit

Posted on 14-08-2013 13:03 | By overit

If the camper vans have a toilet, and providing rubbish is not left about, and behaviour is good I dont see a problem with it. The vans MUST HAVE A WORKING TOILET ON BOARD though.


Council aren't policing

Posted on 14-08-2013 14:29 | By tish

their own reserve areas for transgressors of the bylaw and I don't see why Marine Parade will be any different. Greerton Park is supposed to be camper-free from Friday to Sunday inclusive and no more than 2 nights per month allowed by any one vehicle. The campers are making a mockery by parking up 7 days and the same ones are back regularly. It seems it's no ones job to check that the rules are being followed on council reserves. How unusual.


self contaned

Posted on 14-08-2013 15:31 | By whatsinaname

the freedom camping people this residence is talking about should NOT be allowed. it should only be for self contained vehicles. they have toilets and showers in there vans


I hope Cr Guy is not involved in the decision making

Posted on 14-08-2013 15:47 | By The Sage

At the meeting yesterday one of the Holiday Park Owners, who loses business because these campers are allowed to park elsewhere, spoke about the impact on his business. Cr Guy made the comment that where do we draw the line? Should we stop people having picnics on the beach because it takes business away from Cafes? What sort of a ridiculous comment is that to make....and he is on the Council and, at last local body elections, stood for Mayor. I cannot believe his lack of understanding and ridiculousness of his comment.


jak72

Posted on 14-08-2013 16:02 | By Jak72

So, residents on Marine Parade believe they own the road, the beach, and the dunes. Why should travellers be denied the use of same?


Too big Too many

Posted on 14-08-2013 16:52 | By Surfwatch

Camper vans are too big to park on Marine Parade. Its hard enough to bike down there now, with cars backing out with no view of the road. Camper Vans will just end up blocking the view totally and someone will end up being killed. There are a number of caravan parks around where they can park and enjoy the beach, Ooops, that will mean that those rich enough to buy a camper van will have to part with a few dollars. Well those that paid in the millions for their view from Marine Parade should be entitled to a free and unencumbered view without having to look at campers on the road. If its legal there will be so many as well, more rubbish, more congestion. Are the council willing to police these bylaws, and clear the rubbish more frequently. I say not.


Come on Cr Guy, put ratepayers first.

Posted on 14-08-2013 17:43 | By Phailed1

Don't vote for councillors who put free campers before ratepayers. Quote from Murray Guy on Sunlive 13.2.2013 "Specifically, Council is looking to open the city up to 'self-contained mobile campers'." Now how much notice do you think Cr Guy and his council mates are going to take of residents submissions? Were submissions welcomed to the Annual Plan? I don't think so, so I don't hold out much chance for the residents in this process.


Be reasonable

Posted on 14-08-2013 17:52 | By lpm67

There is a bigger problem with dogs leaving their Shite everywhere and their irresponsible owners (including residents in this area) than there is from campers that are self contained. And as for the campground owner...if they kept better control over the idiots on their sites and cleaner facilities and reasonable rates they would have all the business they can handle. And by the way...its hard when you book into a campground and arrive to find the owners/managers nowhere in sight and you end up parking outside the camp gates waiting for them to get back from their fishing trip over 8 hours later...you know who you are!


USE Camping Grounds

Posted on 14-08-2013 17:56 | By Blessed

Ive seen Campers doing their toileting in broad Day light at Mt beach, so NO they should not be able to park there, its hard enough getting Council to mow the Lawns in some places, i doubt they will pick up all the rubbish left from Campers...


Ohhhhhhh

Posted on 14-08-2013 18:14 | By compton

Sounds like a bunch of rich people peeved off that someone can get what they have for free. We have freedom camper down our Mt cal-de-sac every summer, the Marine Prd residents (when they are even there) should get to know the campers, good fun to have a few brews with. Think they all need a cupof cold concrete.


Not camping

Posted on 14-08-2013 18:15 | By Te Ponui

Camping is going out into the bush or to a beach and roughing it. Sure, buy a bus and kit it out but don't expect ratepayers to guarantee access to all our prime ratepayer maintained spots. There should be free access to all groups without dedicated spaces for the rich.


mobile homes

Posted on 14-08-2013 18:53 | By sangrae

I think council should limit the size to 5 or 6 metre homes where they are angle parked and must be fully compliant as is required the NZMHA, as for these residents what right do they have to dictate who parks where, and perhaps Bruce Crosby should consider selling his camping ground to the mobile home association and get out of the industry.


campers

Posted on 14-08-2013 19:14 | By hendrix

Still bleating on about "PAYING FOR YOUR VIEW " Your dont own the view ,get it ,you didnt pay for it ,what a laugh


Most of you are missing the point

Posted on 14-08-2013 21:03 | By The Sage

Under new rules compliancy and policing are huge costs. Guess who to?The rate payer. Anyone need to know anything else?


Cost

Posted on 15-08-2013 07:35 | By Murray.Guy

There are no identifiable significant additional costs. The bylaws refers only to fully certified self contained motorhomes, the vast majority being in the 55-72 aged bracket and unlikely and very socially and environmentally responsible. There is an ever increasing separate issue for local communities, being, the management of the non-self contained vehicles.


Boot out these councillors this election

Posted on 15-08-2013 10:05 | By Phailed1

Why do some councillors seem determined to allow camping in public spaces that should be free of urban clutter? I don't want to see even more clutter in our reserves or along our beachfronts. Some intelligent councillors at least are sticking up for residents rights, but my fear is that the numpties will win. I totally disagree with Cr Guy's argument. Tauranga should not be opened up to freedom camping.


Overit

Posted on 15-08-2013 12:18 | By overit

Hear, hear Mr Guy. Sensible words, and I do agree that it seems to be the younger set that spoil it for everyone else on whatever topic.


Two local people!!!

Posted on 19-08-2013 10:34 | By patneric4@xtra.co.nz

Come on Sunlive,lets get it right!!I was at that meeting and heard only 2 local people speak to this submission and not sure if there were any supporters there for them, BUT I heard some very convincing speakers for the motorhomes and I saw a contingent of supporters with them.


Selfish campers

Posted on 19-08-2013 20:04 | By Minky58

I live in the UK and we call this 'Wild Camping'. It is very much frowned upon. I am a responsible motorhome owner and would never dream of littering a beauty spot. Unfortunately it is often the actions of the few that spoil it for the majority. Don't ban the campers altogether, just make it more difficult for the selfish ones. Campers can be a valuable source of income to the local area's economy if handled correctly.


Modile homeless

Posted on 22-08-2013 18:10 | By TTP

Council, while trying to please everyone has just created a home for the "mobile homeless". Like it or not, this is going to be abused, bridges are for the homeless and now we are providing a place for the next mode up. We are going full circle, Council will in the future, have to provide Domain Parks for them to stay in, then will have to have a fee for admin. then hand that cost on to private business because they do not wish to be involved in running a Camping Ground. Maybe this is their agenda, But who will be paying ????


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