Tauranga will have a museum, but where it will be situated remains unknown.
Tauranga City Council on Tuesday resolved to provide a fully consented site for the future museum, but did not endorse the Museum Steering Group recommendation that it be built at Cliff Road.
Steering group chairman Jon Mayson at Cliff Road.
The Cliff Road recommendation was attacked by Councillors Catherine Stewart and Murray Guy.
Catherine says there might be other sites the community wants to consider, especially after a recent meeting at the Historic Village. Murray considers the Cliff Road site recommendation was made without obtaining community support.
"From the outset I raised concerns about the involvement of the community in the process, unfortunately that was hijacked to a degree," says Murray.
"They have located it, designed it, named it. All that's left is the barbecue."
Mayor Stuart Crosby says the steering group's recommendations were simply that and the council could change any of them.
The community engagement will happen during the long term community plan process.
Mike Baker says the steering group met every month for 10 months and considered a range of different scenarios and sites.
The steering group decided the best way forward was to make its recommendations and leave it to the community to take it forward. The only council contribution would be a consented site, and it was to be community driven.
Other discussion at the meeting was about the nature of the trust that will take the project forward.
The council voted a stand alone community trust be established. The council will establish it with three community representatives appointed. They will be unpaid.
The trust's establishment is to be paid from $53,770 left over in the Museum Steering Group budget.
The Museum Steering Group was established in November 2008, and in June 2009 was tasked with assessing the desire for a regional museum, involving the community in the process, and delivering on a preferred site.
It was also to look at funding sources and at setting up a website and organising friends of the museum.
The steering group recommended Cliff Road as the optimum site because it is a one destination historical precinct, supported by tangata whenua, and in line of site to Mauao. There is the potential for a modular build allowing a staged development as funding becomes available. It is also within walking distance of the CBD.
13 comments
MUSEUM ROUND TWO
Posted on 20-05-2010 15:59 | By The Master
Here we go again, some will remember that last election the downfall of a few was the Museum, looks like history is about to repeat itself. That with pleasure allows for a few existing MOTH BALLS to be cleansed. Love to be the lawyer doing the trust deed with a legal fee fund of $53,000 odd available, good one. Historic village makes logical sense as the location, no need to use a perfectly good site that would be far better for something else more useful.
WATER RATES ENOUGH TO MAKE YA CRY
Posted on 21-05-2010 17:07 | By The Master
Yes the water rates are planned to follow general rates with so look out TOWN Hall did a shuffle and added 50% to the administration cost allocation to the water department, that resulted in a 15% rise in the amount of water rates, but that is only this year. Appreciate that the concept of looking a little ahead like five years is hard to do but it is coming. Example for you, on 15/6/2006 a TOWN Hall letter it was stated that rates would rise 10.78% for 2010, 2011, 2012 and 2013, just so we are clear that is not each year but for the four years. The truth is a little different of course we are up for 36% in 2011, 2012 and 2013. I will allow you to draw a conclusion as to competence at TOWN Hall.
Cliff Road the logical site
Posted on 19-05-2010 16:53 | By The author of this comment has been removed.
To anyone with any knowledge of history, the thing which a museum is actually about, Cliff Road is far preferable as a museum site. The Elms and its beautiful grounds is a great Tauranga treasure. Having the redoubt, mission cemetery, Elms and museum within walking distance would make great sense. The historical village at 17th Ave is in a poor location and looks more like a replica wild west town. Its genuine historic value pales in comparison to the Elms. Cliff Road has location location and location.
CXr Mike Baker
Posted on 20-05-2010 07:58 | By The author of this comment has been removed.
The Steering groups recommendation, was the Cliff Road site, but that does not stop the proposed community based Trust from coming up with an alternative site should they identify one which would then come back to Council for consideration. Cr Catherine Stewart was on the Museum steering group and I do not recall her expressing concerns about the proposed site then and of course Cr. Guy seems to criticise everthing if it does not go entirely his way. "Honestine" is correct basically the Cliff Road site has everything going for it and in particular location, location location but as stated further sites can still be considered but my personal preference, at this time, is for the Cliuff Road site as it seems to tick all the boxes. Most importantly however is the fact that a museum will not proceed unless the community gets behind it as this latest endeavour for Tauranga to have a place to show off its teasures MUST be community driven.
MUSEUM DISASTER
Posted on 20-05-2010 16:42 | By The Master
Maybe the land has no value but I doubt that, never is a long time not to sell. It does indeed have a value, that value is what someone will pay for it. All the trains will surely shatter all that reside there, so the point if having a museum will then be no more as there will be nothing left to display but pieces and dust The site is completely unsuitable for a Museum, it will be an overpriced failure that will burden the ratepayer with yet another annual loss, need one say more ?
DISASTER REPLICA
Posted on 20-05-2010 16:47 | By The Master
The indoor sports center (TISEC) at Baypark is a mess with a huge blow out in the costs already, 3000 cu. meters of concrete alone before the thing gets out of the mud and bog. The foundations are about 20 meters deep and are massive. $42 million going on $50 million should be $32 million Losses every year will be $5 million and they will be added to ratepayers bills The Museum will only add more pain and misery to all salt in the wounds .
YEAH PAT
Posted on 22-05-2010 18:41 | By The Master
Agreed, "bring it on" so as they can be sorted before any more damage is done ...
CLIFF ROAD FATAL ...
Posted on 24-05-2010 14:38 | By The Master
I have been in the house at the end of cliff road when the train is rumbling by, if there is anything important and perhaps delicate, generally in the category of important and want to keep in existence a little longer.
LOST CAUSE
Posted on 25-05-2010 13:35 | By The Master
To build or not is definitely not the issue, if someone wants a Museum then go for it, BUT don t ask that everyone else to pay for the desires of a few. Auckland Museum for example is a great place, but when you go there you are lucky to see 10-15 cars outside unless there is something special on, can just to be sure Auckland is a little bit bigger than Tauranga and has a lot more tourists passing though but they still don t go to the Museum there. A Tauranga Museum will be a tiddle-winks show in comparison to Auckland s or and definitely Ta Papa in Wellington. Why doesn t TOWN Hall focus on what Tauranga does well, does TOWN Hall have any idea of what Tauranga is about, you don t come here to go into a dank building full of old stuff when there is such a beautiful environment outside. There is plenty of room at the Historic Village to put up a few sheds and show what there is on a rotational basis, if it works then spend $5 million or $10 million after that. Common sense really !
CREEPY MUSEUM PLANS
Posted on 21-05-2010 15:17 | By The Master
Honestline love your heading most excellent ! ! ! ! ! $5,000 for a trust deed is a joke, should be about $1,000. One purpose of a Museum is to have people use it, logically then one needs to put it where people are, I just thought I needed to put here for you. Museums do have important sometimes historically important items, these are often in a delicate state and so are sensitive to vibration, damage or harm as a result, this is rather obvious, give it a little thought over the weekend.
OFF THE TRACK HONESTINE
Posted on 22-05-2010 18:38 | By The Master
Honestine I have thought about your "The Master Disaster" and "Master Blaster" headings and as a result of genuine and considered thoughts I would have to say that I appreciate you have put a little thought into this and I can only thank you for the compliment. I have and indeed do predict that: The location is a "disaster" the burden to RPAYERS will be a disaster and of course like last election it will also be a disaster for those elected member voting for it.
Bring on the election
Posted on 20-05-2010 08:34 | By Pat
Lets tell them AGAIN what the people dont want by sacking a few AGAIN
MUSEUM LOTTORY FUND RAISER
Posted on 24-05-2010 02:07 | By The Master
Perhaps a raffle should be organised for the Museum to help pay for it, it will be easy you pay your money then you get to guess how many train have to go by before it all falls down and block any more trains from going past any more ... closest wins.
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