Come on Murray

Posted on 27-09-2011 09:56 | By Mareeb

I'm pretty sure that people from Greerton, Papamoa and the Mount visit Tauranga City quite frequently (probably on a daily basis to come to work). If it's transport you need - talk to any bus operator I'm sure they would be happy to put on transport from from Greerton, Papamoa and Mount Maunganui - what a pitiful excuse. Residents in Tauranga are embarrassed by our council and what has been down for our city and it's visitors - a big nothing.

Business

Posted on 27-09-2011 10:29 | By DRich

Nice move, matt, to take a private enterprise approach and understandably bid to do it at Die Bierhaus end of the Strand. Council no more to blame than all other sad sacks who sat around waiting for something to be done on their behalf: that it's come to a rush job after 5 years knowing about it says a lot about tauranga as a whole, sadly.

REAL Tauranga, REAL questions

Posted on 27-09-2011 10:40 | By DRich

On another note, SunLive, it would be great to see some journalistic snouts get some answers on this laughable REAL Tauranga festival and to gain some much-needed transparency as to why funding/organisation was apparently entrusted to people with what you'd assume would be naturally opposed vested interests: being Amy Porter from Cornerstone, and Mel Cottingham from Zabar. THere may be not story, but the questions should be asked don't you think

REAL PS

Posted on 27-09-2011 10:43 | By DRich

...because you can guarantee the prominent local newspaper, as complicit sponsor, won't be inclined to offer any insight

the final

Posted on 27-09-2011 12:28 | By the kurgan

There wont be that many AB fans in town to watch the mighty Wallabies play Ireland in the final. GO AUSSIE OI OI OI.

Well Done

Posted on 27-09-2011 12:45 | By Becks

DRich you are absolutely right! Fantastic idea and its great that Matt (De Bierhaus) and Riki (Syndicate) are tyring to create abit of a positive atmosphere! Its also fantastic to see (from other articles) they are also trying to create a seperate alcohol free zone for families. What a great idea. Hopefully this comes to fruition. What a great economic spin off it will have for all our local buisnesses and a positive environment! Well Done!

What benifit ?? All hype and BS.

Posted on 27-09-2011 13:01 | By xenasdad

It doesn't matter where you live, if you are one of the MANY who couldn't give a rats about rugby, it's still an unjustified waste of my rates. WHY can't the vocal want, want, want, brigade watch it on their OWN TVs?? GET REAL TCC, you have NO mandate to squander any of the large rates increase by involvement with TOTALLY unnecessary actions like this.

Becks

Posted on 27-09-2011 13:05 | By DRich

Thanx Becks, BTW if you're the Becks from SYndicate Bar then, in the interests of transparency, could you make that clear, cheers. I'm all for businesses pushing their own boat, trust me, but pays to be up front

tauranga poopers

Posted on 27-09-2011 13:15 | By traceybjammet

cant see why there is a debate its not really about just rugby its a nation-wide event and going out to watch is fun with loads of people cheering etc and why do we care about a council election when nothing gets done except meetings about meeting

@ DRich

Posted on 27-09-2011 13:28 | By Becks

Sorry Yes I am from Syndicate. Didnt think of mentioning but understand what you mean! Go the AB's

Just to make things clear

Posted on 27-09-2011 13:49 | By Becks

Whether the screen is on The Strand, at The Mount or where ever I just believe that any postive things like this should be encouraged. Tauranga needs to capitalise on as many things as possible to help the economics of the town. How great is it to have steamers games at the mount, The increase of cruise ships to the area. A screen whether it be on The Strand or else where. Its all positive!

Xenasdad

Posted on 27-09-2011 14:15 | By DRich

Couldn't agree more, hence this push by private enterprise - for the good of the businesses - is the only acceptable option. Council should butt out, sign the requisite paperwork, and slink off to continue with their knitting

The TECT arena if we must must have one

Posted on 27-09-2011 14:46 | By The author of this comment has been removed.

There are so many bars and sports clubs with good sized screens to watch the game, and it gets really cold down on the strand at 9pm. if Council MUST spend our money on a big screen lets all go to TECT stadium to watch it. Open up the bars and food outlets and use this amazing amenity. We couldn't afford this building but now we've got it and it would be silly not to use it. It is such a superb arena.

A little clarity ..

Posted on 27-09-2011 15:43 | By Murray.Guy

Staff advise that the RWC folk will not allow it's brand to be used to promote the screening. To do so has the potential for litigation. I do not support the current (and past) mindset that seems to be, "I can circumvent, ignore, amend, reinterpret rules to suit my agenda (which usually has little to to be the integrity of processes or best ratepayer outcomes." I am mindful that ratepayers are also (most likely) taxpayers, and have already contributed many millions to RWC festivities. I am mindful that many businesses throughout Tauranga have invested their own resources in RWC promotion opportunities - for TCC and the Strand precinct, at this late stage, to use rates to undermine the investments and business opportunities of precincts away from the strand is, in my opinion, grossly offensive, inappropriate! City Councillors were not party to RWC opportunities, initiatives, being brought into the picture only in recent months, by the former CEO Steven Town and Mayor Crosby. I commend Matt and De Bier Haus for their willingness to contribute to a 'big screen' promotion BUT can't help wonder why the Strand Precinct didn't initiate and fund this opportunity independent of ratepayers from the outset! I reject outright the assertions of Matt and those in support that this late night STRAND promotion will be an 'all age family friendly' promotion, in an attempt to justify the use of those scarce ratepayer funds.

What is it going to take...

Posted on 27-09-2011 15:52 | By Local T

I simply cannot understand why this wouldnt go ahead. Great job to those trying to facilitate for this and I am impressed that there are still are few out there that are willing to try get things moving in this town. I think that if the council cant make this happen a red card should be produced. Especially one for Murray Guy...what a cowboy and a spoon lets call him spoonboy...We NEED things like this to happen in our region - the list of lost opportunities seems to growing monthly. Beautiful place, CRAP council.

Typical

Posted on 27-09-2011 16:37 | By The author of this comment has been removed.

Tauranga - The only city or Town in new Zealand not to take advantage of the World Cup. Well done the Council and it so called Party organisers. Time you all went and are replaced with people who want to get things moving in this beautiful city.

Murray

Posted on 27-09-2011 17:07 | By Becks

I apologise if I am wrong but it seems to me you would rather there be no events in Tauranga! How can you not see the positive benefits of something like this. For EXAMPLE if the screen was to be at The Strand the carpark buildings could be opened for later creating extra revenue for the city, local restaurants would be busier, shops in the CBD could stay open later to boost their revenue whether it be locals or visitors taking part in some late night shopping, local schools could come down and do some sort of Kapahaka or Singing production before hand. We are the 5th largest city in NZ and we are rejecting to actively get involved. I understand your point of spending rate payers money and Im sure the majority of buisnesses do too, hence the offer to help fund this. What events would you support? Surely events regardless of where they are located around the city, the better it is for ALL businesses and therefore Tauranga as a whole.

Family friendly...yeah right.

Posted on 27-09-2011 17:17 | By dgk

To suggest this will be a family friendly event misses a few rather important aspects. Spending time next to several "pubs" means being surrounded by drunken idiots....not exactly family friendly. Never mind the cold and that the big screen isn't allowed to be mentioned or anything.

Diva1962

Posted on 27-09-2011 17:36 | By diva1962

I'm with you DRich on some transparency on the REAL festival and how local bars came to secure so much money for such a non community laughable event.....

not worth it

Posted on 27-09-2011 22:40 | By flowerkiwi

Not sure if it has been mentioned but the Grand final is on a Sunday Night at 7.30pm so not sure how many FAMILIES will be there anyway (with school etc as school starts the next day)..so I say NO to the Big screen being payed for by the TCC.. Why is it we are a Major City and we dont have any games played here maybe cos again we still have nothing suitable for them but the tourist dollars would have gone along way in Tauranga area and the atmosphere would have been great.

@Becks

Posted on 28-09-2011 09:50 | By The Tomahawk Kid

I am ALL FOR events being run in Tauranga. I am AGAINST the use of FORCE - you know - the most uncivilised action one human being can enact upon another! I am opposed to COUNCIL being involved and INTERFERING in the entertainment and business sector. That is the businesx of Private business and the entertainment industry - not council. ie: in the absence of a PUBLIC big screen, bars or businesses may have invested in their OWN big screens to attract punters. NOW council provide one and they stand to lose their clientelle. How does that help business? Im with DRich - I applaud Matt at De Bierhause for his actions - this is the way it SHOULD be done - VOLUNTARILLY - not immorally by force and coercion. You cannot FORCE people to be community spirited - its an oxymoron (despite what the majority think[sic]

Come out of the dark

Posted on 28-09-2011 09:54 | By dvaa006

Come on Tauranga, get out of the dark! Open your eyes, all around the country and the world the RWC is being embraced and enjoyed, but here in Tga 'well I don't like Rugby' and 'what about the people who live 5mins drive away (10-15min bus ride away) in Greerton'. These are the reasons that Tga held the nickname of $10 Tga for so long. Small mindedness. And yes it would be a family friendly event....if you bring your friendly family along. If it's cold - wear a jersey. Come on people, Tauranga is the most beautiful city in this country but no one has seen it because we not involved! I think that a big screen is a fantastic move, yes it should of been done ages ago, but if it can be done now, great! Oh and to flowerkiwi who pointed out that the game is on a Sunday night - the next day is Labour day, a public holiday. See, that's what happens when the people who are organising think ahead...they can plan accordingly. Come on Tauranga, come out of the dark and lets have some fun!!!

@quitekiwi

Posted on 28-09-2011 09:58 | By The Tomahawk Kid

So you propose the "You will be entertained and be happy - or else" approach do you? You propose the Tauranga Council to have a "Department of FUN and community spirit" You will be demanding they wipe your bottoms next! What is wrong with you people? Are you not able to spend your OWN money on things you want? Are you not able to get together with likeminded people VOLUNTARILLY? Why must you insist on FORCING others to pay for things you want instead of getting off your OWN backside and helping to make it happen? I tell you why! Because its much easier to moan, and pester immoral bureaucrats untill they flip flop and cave in under pressure from the biggest gang (I thought bullying was BAD?)

And the date is?

Posted on 28-09-2011 10:44 | By Writerman

Just a note to flowerkiwi. The RWC final is on Labour Weekend - so no school (or work) Monday.

Good on ya, DRich

Posted on 28-09-2011 10:46 | By SpeakUp

I applaud any privately/business funded solution. It is a scandal that taxpayers had to fork out millions for what has become one of the biggest money churners in NZ, while the country (and this town) is drowning in debt. The RWC is a welcome distraction for the Beehive to stifle awareness of where we are heading with affable sport consumerism whipped up by the usual vacant media hype. It once was religion that was opium for the people. Now it is commercialized sport. Once was rugby, now it's a circus.

Don't close the Strand

Posted on 28-09-2011 10:48 | By The author of this comment has been removed.

There is more to the CBD than the pubs and restaurants.The Srand is the main arterial route into the town.It is important for the businesses to have the traffic flowing through.As a business person in the area I know from many years of experience.Have the big screen but please don't block the Strand off.

Posted on 28-09-2011 12:49 | By CAUTION

To(Justification)there are pleanty more other roads that you can take a turn down to get home or where ever you like to go. blocking one road of wont take you another hour to go were you want. plus it will allow the bars to extend there outside boundary there for creating it to be more of an event i.e jazzfest theme creating more atmosphir and reason to join the rest of tauranga for a good evening.

Posted on 28-09-2011 13:07 | By flowerkiwi

Re dvaa006 "See, that's what happens when the people who are organising think ahead...they can plan accordingly" If that was the case then this would have been arranged yrs ago instead of wks til final game! and ok labour day didnt relise that was on the monday..all good then for those wanting to join the crowd downtown. If the bars and users pays then thats GREAT.

Posted on 28-09-2011 13:12 | By CAUTION

the so called (traffic flowing through) your talking bout the hooded idiots who think there cool driving up and down back an fowards. the only bussness there not keeping from going under are the police force who have to deal with them all over the weekend. close the strand extend the bars and pubs and enjoy a big event that will not go to waste.

Ho Hum

Posted on 28-09-2011 16:10 | By jimmi

I hope this enept council, gets told very firmly,how much revenue this city has missed out on by having no World Cup games, it is frankly psss poor!!!!!, and no matter what the Council decide, unfortunately big screens do not cut it.

Jimmi

Posted on 28-09-2011 16:26 | By DRich

Not sure what you think missed games have to do with council - teensy 'stadium' with clay barrier around the outside of field the reason

DRich

Posted on 28-09-2011 17:56 | By jimmi

it because of the Council we have not got a Stadium that can hold the games, what dont you get?

MAYOR BOOFHEAD & THE BOYS

Posted on 28-09-2011 20:07 | By RORTSCAM

CR. MURRAY GUY is absolutely correct on this. Of course no one has any issue with the big TV screen for RWC games but 84% on the Sunlive poll say no or it must be user pays with no TCC Ratepayer funding. Mayor Crosby for once engage your brain before you open your gob again . In very simple language that all means only 16% support your devious little efforts to have TCC Ratepayers meet any part of the bill.If the bar & pub owners having been put up to it by your fawning toadies want to pay for all the cost then go for it but get the cash up front first. I can't see that happening with a total cost of $42000 plus GST as currently these turkeys are offering $7500 for the screen hire only leaving our esteemed TCC BOZOS with $35000 to stump up with.Like trying to hide a pig in a poke they call it creative accounting. FITH.

Caution

Posted on 28-09-2011 20:36 | By The author of this comment has been removed.

What part of the CBD are you involved with? You come across as a sh-- stirrer who has absolutly no involvment in the CBD what so ever.If you had a business downtown you would Know what was happening.Obviously a Priority one share holder.

BUSINESS v's OFFICALS?

Posted on 29-09-2011 08:19 | By PLONKER

The business organise a cost of $7,500, the officials organise a cost of $48,000 and expect all to contribute ... Like numbers speak for them selves on why TCC should be confirmed to a cell witht he lock on the outside.

You get what you deserve

Posted on 29-09-2011 09:44 | By The Tomahawk Kid

The people get the governance they DESERVE - never was so true a word spoken! So long as we have the immoral voting system where people get to vote away the rights and property of others we will continue to get councillors like those in office now. Stop voting for those who tell you what they WILL DO, and start voting for those who tell you what they WONT DO! - ie take your money, and spend it on what THE MAJORITY (ie the biggest gang) want! Vote to Keep your OWN money, so YOU can spend it on things YOU want! Then you have no reason to complain about what immoral, Unprincipled, FLIP FLOP bureacrats do with YOUR money - Its pretty straight forward really! Unfortunately your precious majority have all been brainwashed to believe they have a RIGHT to other peoples money and property - and thats WHY you have got the Council you deserve!

@Tomahawk Kid, brilliant!

Posted on 29-09-2011 13:36 | By SpeakUp

THAT's what the CMC will ram home before the next elections. Nothing will be forgotten, all will be recorded. -Citizens Monitoring Council-

@ TOMMY KID

Posted on 29-09-2011 14:34 | By PLONKER

You got it there mate. They take what they want and have a spend up, borrow heaps more and spend that to. Seems very much like the test for a spend RORT on others is who makes the most noise, fromthe smallest group. They are a minority, get it in perspective.

Just FYI

Posted on 29-09-2011 14:40 | By Becks

Whether this counts for anything, all the businesses on The Strand pay fees to the council every month. Totally approx 90,000 per year and this does not include the $ that we contribute towards licenses etc for Jazz Festival. So please before making statements and assuming that we are being greedy we also expect some sort of 'bang for our buck'. As rate payers also. Regardless of the outcome the CBD needs more positive events as the hub of the city, not just to promote the restaurants and bars but also the retail industry. Tauranga is unfortunately behind the 8 ball with most events.

Becks

Posted on 29-09-2011 18:18 | By jimmi

so if we are all concerned, who is going to put their hands up, and stand for Council?, most are voicing their opinions, which most I think are correct, but are we prepared to put our concerns to the test, and make accurate, qiuck decisions for the benifit of this city. Time well tell.

Exactly

Posted on 29-09-2011 20:10 | By Becks

I agree Jimmi, that is true! Also I guess everyone needs to take into consideration the cost is mostly made up of paper money. So $20,000 to close the street! Where does that money go to if the Strand Businesses were to pay for it? The Council, So when people refer to the council paying for it, They are technically paying themselves? Correct? The entire situation along with many other things needs more clarification and a breakdown or where funds etc still go to!

BOOFHEADS TRYING TO BE IN BUSINESS

Posted on 29-09-2011 20:44 | By PLONKER

The price difference is obvious here, TCC organise something costs heaps to much ($48,000 or so with GST) the businessman has a look at it and the "real" cost is $7500, so now you know why youtr rates are $2,000 and should be $350, get the picture.

Glenn

Posted on 29-09-2011 21:39 | By Glenn Gilmore

Some have made the comment that outside of downtown rate paying businesses would be funding a screen (if council paid for it) which would be of no benefit to them?? Wake up you miserable miser, it's called a sense of community. The rest of the country parties and enjoys the carnival atmosphere and all we can do is argue in online forums, that will get very little done if we want to play with the grown up cities when future opportunities come along.

All but missed the boat

Posted on 30-09-2011 18:19 | By Fun in the Sun

Congratulations to the individuals who are arranging the big screen and dragging Tauranga into the RWC festive spirit. After we have enjoyed what's left of the RWC I hope we have a constructive look at how Tauranga forgot to join the party.

SHAME THEY SHUT THE BRAIN CELL CLINICS

Posted on 30-09-2011 21:35 | By Hebegeebies

These are the TCC wombles that plunged Tauranga into debt to the tune of $400 million and it is rocketing up each day. The Big-Screen TV, if TCC Council is involved will rip $50,000 from ratepayers' funds and the TCC ratepayers should not contribute a dollar to this rort, let the user-pay rule prevail. What if it is cold or windy or raining or all 3 at once on each of the 3 nights? What if the All Blacks fail to make the final? Council want to make The Strand into an alcohol zone when it is a booze-free area now. This will encourage the boozers to drive home afterwards. Why don't the Police have the guts to make a statement, they were at last Monday's Council meeting and yet didn't say a word. With only $7,500 to be paid by the Bars & Pubs of the $50,000 total cost, ratepayers are up the creek for the balance from ratepayers funds - that works out at $185 per minute by my reckoning. To make matters worse, we have a self-proclaimed prudent, canny, CEO salivating over the prospect of cavorting on The Strand, yet he is the dude slashing and burning vital infrastructure costs left, right and centre to save his cash-strapped Council. Spare me, please! Reminds one of the saying ‘public money is like holy water, everyone helps themselves'.Wake up people. VOUS REJUGE PUBLIER SI VOUS PLAIT.

Glenn

Posted on 01-10-2011 00:01 | By Glenn Gilmore

One of the reasons we didn't have a larger part in the RWC is because we didn't host games due to a substandard stadium. Look no further than the Facebook page for some constructive ideas on their for a solution. Maybe that something positive that could come out of all this. https://www.facebook.com/pages/Rugby-World-Cup-NOT-in-Tauranga-NOT-Acceptable/259159177439768 400 hundred people have showed there support and many have added some great ideas.

Get off the grass Mr Gee Gee

Posted on 01-10-2011 09:55 | By RORTSCAM

The prime reasons we don't have any RWC games in Tauranga is firstly we were not allocated any games and secondly there is a brilliant international rugby stadium 45mins away at Rotorua get off your butt and go there mate.Financially why would any sane person construct a purpose built rugby stadium for 30000 at a cost in the many tens of millions for 2 second rate RWC rugby games every 24years with total gross gate takings of $3m. What do we do the thing the rest of the time - mothball the bloody white elephant pay the interest of say $7m per annum while it rapidly outdates itself.You and you're disciples are living in LA LA land.

@GlenGilmour

Posted on 04-10-2011 07:41 | By The Tomahawk Kid

So Glen - you are obviously of the "You vill be happy and a community spirited person . . . or ELSE!" kind of guy. Has anybody ever mentioned that you cannot FORCE people to be community spirited - that is an oxymoron. Community spirit comes from VOLUNTARY ACTS from likeminded people - NOT from acts of FORCE AND THREATS by council using a big stick! The lions club, Rotary etc - now THAT is community spirit - where caring individuals get together and FUNDRAISE (remember that!) of their OWN FREE WILL and do things for the community! Before you go calling people "Miserable Misers" you want to make sure you are not a "thieving looter" - otherwise they would have a good reason to call you names back! I am all FOR a big Screen, however I am against council using FORCE on other people to get it, and AGAINST immoral people who dont appreciate the meaning of the words PROPERTY RIGHTS ganging up on the council to force them to weild their big stick of power over what may be a minority - because the way I see it Minorities have rights too (some people obviously disagree)

Glenn

Posted on 08-10-2011 15:36 | By Glenn Gilmore

@Rortscam The fact that you think rugby is only played every 24 years shows you are clearly not Steamers or Chiefs fan. These games are played for most of the year, so the stadium would be used alot. We are not pulling our weight as far as being a major centre providing a major hosting facility, and if you went the facebook page you would see that the intention is not just to be a rugby venue.